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Old 12-04-2012, 07:19 PM   #91
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sorry if this is a stupid question, but how the hell would you fight internet surveillance with a gun i guess you can shoot your computer, or your internetprovider, but that isn't exactly convenient
You're missing the point....it's an indicator of government run amuk.
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You're missing the point....it's an indicator of government run amuk.
true, true. i hate surveillance as much as anyone, security cameras does not make me feel safe, and the government (or google) having the possibility to acces my computer at any time, creeps me out. but my initial question was about weapons, and how they would help fight a tyrannic government. it's newer times, and a gun isn't necessarily your best tool against the big powers. a single hacker can do more to a government, than a bunch of armed people, fighting in the name of freedom.
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true, true. i hate surveillance as much as anyone, security cameras does not make me feel safe, and the government (or google) having the possibility to acces my computer at any time, creeps me out. but my initial question was about weapons, and how they would help fight a tyrannic government. it's newer times, and a gun isn't necessarily your best tool against the big powers. a single hacker can do more to a government, than a bunch of armed people, fighting in the name of freedom.
Push come to shove...it's always boots on the ground.
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Did you get enough for your report?

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Please post your report on here when you are finished with it. We would be happy to fact check it

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Did you get enough for your report?
well, i gues it got a little out of hand at one point, it wasn't easy keeping up with all of the information, but thanks for being civilized i get the official information about my reports requirements, and then i will lock myself up, writing for a week or something like that

every bit of information (even the slightly negative parts) has been very informative, and i thank you all very much, i probably isn't the last time i ask of something, if you guys will allow it. anyway, it's getting late in my part of the word, need to go.

a very nice day to all of you
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Please post your report on here when you are finished with it. We would be happy to fact check it
it will be in danish (it's a requirement sorry), so im not sure you'll get a lot of use out of it. i would be happy to provide any information i find though, it would be very informative to have your guys perspective on it
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well, i gues it got a little out of hand at one point, it wasn't easy keeping up with all of the information, but thanks for being civilized i get the official information about my reports requirements, and then i will lock myself up, writing for a week or something like that

every bit of information (even the slightly negative parts) has been very informative, and i thank you all very much, i probably isn't the last time i ask of something, if you guys will allow it. anyway, it's getting late in my part of the word, need to go.

a very nice day to all of you
Cheers. Don't be a stranger.
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that doesn't mean that your neighbor trust you. im young, and of course i'm sometimes fascinated by guns, sure, i would like to fire one, and at a closed course, it would most certainly be quite fun, but i would like to keep it at that. an argument i have heard often is that nearly every legal gun owner, is a responsible one. what if that responsible person got a mental breakdown, or his son got hold of the gun?
For me, it is a mindset such as yours that I fear. One so willing to give up his rights and my rights would be so willing to give up other rights.

It is the man that would control his neighbor that is to be feared. for he and those in power seek to control the freedoms of others.

My freedoms may not be of value to you, but then again, your interests and values might seem worthless to me. Should I at any time direct your life as I see fit?

My life has been protected twice against assault. Miscreants with the upper hand, yet with no gun, were thwarted by a firearm on the side of good. I held that gun in one instance. My fellow worker held that gun in the other.

I use the modern sporting rifle to protect my livestock, my family and perhaps our freedoms. I carry a 1911 daily, at home, on the property and during trips to town. I love my freedoms, I love my country. You may be missing out on the most fullfilling life one could have. One where we are free to defend ourselves and our freedoms.

I dread that we become a continent of sheep, led into socialism by such mindsets that the most important aspects of ones life have been stripped from him and relegated to others. I will defend my life, my family, my property and my constitution.

I have visited Europe (Spain, France, Italy) and feel bad for those who walk the urban areas, looking down and avoiding their neighbor. I asked why this was, and the answer given me " The only ones that look you in they eye are the Police and the Criminal" Here, In my rural town, I know that most are armed, I have no fear. Most crime happens in the Gun-Free areas, or cities where Firearm ownership is infringed.

Come to the U.S and visit me. I have 20 acres of land, a home gun range for large center file rifles and pistols. I can have you meet the best people in the world right here in my neighborhood. And YES... they may be armed.
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Emil, the 2nd amendment was made to enforce our right to live free, free in our persons, and free from fear, and free from exploitation.

You keep asking "why do you feel the need to own a gun"

This is a god question for me. As some here can tell you, I've taken a particular viewpoint that several don't agree with. And that is this: I, particularly, wouldn't mind if there were no guns. None. At all. Anywhere.

But, the reason I own one is because there are guns. Criminals have them, tyrants have them, others who would do myself and my family harm have them.

And the simple fact of the matter is that, no matter how much gun control any government enacts, these same people I mentioned will always have guns mostly, simply because they refuse to respect laws, personal property, and others' right to live freely and in "the pursuit of happiness".

Guns are here to stay. I keep one because I see no need to be armed with anything less, than those who would do me or my son harm, would be armed with.

They cannot be removed, no matter how hard anyone tries. Not here. People have tried. And the harder they try, and the harder they have tried, more and more people die because they are left with no defense against the criminals among us. It's already been mentioned here, just this morning, 11 people were victims of criminal shootings in Chicago alone, in only approximately 4 hours. It has been seen, time, and time again, that criminals are more leery of attacking those that fight back, or have the means to fight back. This is seen every day in our society. The 6'2" bodybuilder rarely gets mugged, it's always the little old lady, the small petite young girl, or the scrawny nerdy man. Just like in the wild, predators pick their prey based on ease of exploitation.

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