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Old 04-19-2013, 09:15 PM   #51
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My beloved old Mossberg 500 (pre 1978) 12 gauge with a 18.5" barrel and a sidesaddle holding a few extra shells. Cheapo plastic furniture, but the stock has a pistol grip incorporated with the full length buttstock, very comfortable and very comforting.
Sounds like a solid system. Good thing you have a stock with that grip, shotguns kick worse with a pistol grip alone. Been trying to find a defense barrel for my 870
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They have some at midwayusa, but they seem a bit pricier than the $85 I paid for the one on my Mossberg. The nickel plated one with rifle sights would look cool with the right furniture and such, though. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/119139/remington-barrel-remington-870-marine-magnum-12-gauge-3-18-cylinder-bore-rifle-sights-nickel-plated

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And to think , the sheep would have us defenseless....!

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Old 04-19-2013, 09:56 PM   #54
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Oh wow, a little over 150,000 guns and 60,000 gunowners, thats a lot.
Shooting is popular here among a minority it might not seem a lot to you remember the population here is around one and a half million so you would expect for there to be more firearms in America. The point is if you want a firearm its not hard to get. There are things that will stop you getting a firearm. Example Quote.

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I don't see how it does. Its a genuine question i am trying to understand why so many on this forum see every call at the door or someone in their drive as a threat requiring them to reach for their gun. The only thing i can think of is that there are a lot of firearms in circulation so if there is a confrontation a firearm is more likely to be used. That's not anti gun its just asking a question.
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...Its a genuine question i am trying to understand why so many on this forum see every call at the door or someone in their drive as a threat requiring them to reach for their gun. The only thing i can think of is that there are a lot of firearms in circulation so if there is a confrontation a firearm is more likely to be used. That's not anti gun its just asking a question.
Maybe "every late night call at the door or unknown someone's in their drive" would be more accurate/fair.

Realize that some people live in more rural areas where a law enforcement response may be much delayed in arriving. Other people live in urban areas with lots of other criminal activity that can delay a law enforcement response.

He didn't actually "use" the firearm; he merely made sure it was available and ready to use, should such use be needed.

It should also be noted that many people living here did not grow up looking at the government as a nurturing protector so much as an overbearing uncle with a hand out and a fist behind his back.
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Old 04-20-2013, 12:30 AM   #56
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The overall crime has dropped in the UK, but a fews back it looks like Chicago.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales
You're obviously comparing those annual crime rates to one day in Chicago.
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Shooting is popular here among a minority it might not seem a lot to you remember the population here is around one and a half million so you would expect for there to be more firearms in America. The point is if you want a firearm its not hard to get. There are things that will stop you getting a firearm. Example Quote.

Anyone can take up shooting, and with it the opportunity to own their own firearms, unless they are a prohibited person, this, in short, is a person who has been



imprisoned for a sentence of 3 or more years. Persons who are sentenced to a term of imprisonment for 3 months or more but less than 3 years must not possess firearms until five years have passed since the date of release.
Yeah, anyone here can own a gun too. Except, we don't have to register them, we can own and carry handguns, and we can own AR. AKs, FALs, and even machineguns if you can afford them.

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I don't see how it does. Its a genuine question i am trying to understand why so many on this forum see every call at the door or someone in their drive as a threat requiring them to reach for their gun. The only thing i can think of is that there are a lot of firearms in circulation so if there is a confrontation a firearm is more likely to be used. That's not anti gun its just asking a question
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That's is not a question, that's a statement.
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Yeah, anyone here can own a gun too. Except, we don't have to register them, we can own and carry handguns, and we can own AR. AKs, FALs, and even machineguns if you can afford them.
Yes you can buy a AK/47 AR FALs or 50 call here to admittedly single shot only. I never said the gun laws were as liberal here as America gust that its not as bad as some on this forum think. Handguns are also carried here for protection.

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Shooting is popular here among a minority it might not seem a lot to you remember the population here is around one and a half million so you would expect for there to be more firearms in America. The point is if you want a firearm its not hard to get. There are things that will stop you getting a firearm. Example Quote.

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I don't see how it does. Its a genuine question i am trying to understand why so many on this forum see every call at the door or someone in their drive as a threat requiring them to reach for their gun. The only thing i can think of is that there are a lot of firearms in circulation so if there is a confrontation a firearm is more likely to be used. That's not anti gun its just asking a question.
i live in a rural area and if i did need the assistance of LE in the middle of the night, it could take anywhere from 15-20 minutes for them to arrive. i wonder how much harm could become of me or my family if i weren't armed and the BG's were in 20 minutes?

am i cautious if someone drives up after dark and i'm not expecting them? damn right i am. do you not think that BG's don't know that it takes longer for LE to respond to calls that are in rural area? i'm pretty sure they do.

so i'll ask you question, knowing it would take at least 20 minutes for LE to respond, wouldn't you think it prudent to be cautious, rather than possibly dead?
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so i'll ask you question, knowing it would take at least 20 minutes for LE to respond, wouldn't you think it prudent to be cautious, rather than possibly dead?
Yes it would be prudent if you perceived a threat i just wouldn't be reaching for a firearm every time a stranger called at the house. Tough i am tempted when they are trying to sell me sky tv or similar.
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