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unclebear 02-14-2012 05:46 AM

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me some guys I work with go into a "discussion" about war, one of them started saying that war is a completely unnecessary thing and should have no place in this world. I was pointing out that war does serve purposes while tragic it does serve a purpose. Simply put it takes down the earth population, it keeps some places from over growing in people. Back in the old days people died regularly we didn't have the medical knowledge we have now and wars and violence were more prevalent so the population was kept low. Now with people living longer and technology taking place of where people use to along with safer work places the population booms.

Hence why war is a logical thing tragic non the less but important to a point. I'm not saying that we should go to war with anyone we can but it does help keep the world population down along with disease and violence in the streets. I'm basically saying that humans are a lot like other animals species like deer if the population gets too high then issues arise with deer it's lack of food and possible diseases like blue tung, with humans it really no different then any other species. Yes where all capable of thought and all that jazz but even with that our population still needs to be kept in check.

What do y'all think?

kfox75 02-14-2012 06:42 AM

" I sometimes think that war is necessary, but every night I pray for peace on Earth." Toby Keith, Love Me if You Can.

I agree Unclebear, it does help with population control, sad as it is. On the other hand ther are other upsides as well.

If it wasn't for war I would not have the prostetic foot that allows me to walk, and a close friend of mine would not have the leg that gives him the same. The advances that were made in WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, through the helping of returning soldiers who came back as amputees gave us these wonders. Belive me, we are both thankful of this.

Other things that would have possibly been different:

The moon landing and space race, The VW beetle, antibiotics, Nuclear research (think energy production), advancements in planes and flight, and Motorcycle clubs and racing just to name a few. There are more examples, but these are the first ones to come to my mind. For all the bad, there is still goood that can come from war. Most of what is listed above stems from wars we have fought in, and in one case (space race\moon landing) some of the scientists involed were the same ones who worked in Germany's V2 rocket program. Just some food for thought, If not for WWII, we may have never landed on the moon.

bkt 02-14-2012 09:07 AM

Preemptive/offensive war is unnecessary and wrong, IMO. Defensive war is necessary unless you don't care about losing everything to the aggressor.

War is big, big government business.

danf_fl 02-14-2012 09:22 AM

Most wars can provide an economic upswing (Roaring Twenties, Baby Boomers, Partying 70's), and some political leaders hope for that to happen today.

dteed4094 02-14-2012 06:05 PM

Most that feel war is unnecessary will change their minds when we live in tyrany. Just read my quote at the bottom if you want to know how I feel. It's even more lopsided than Conservativism vs Liberalism where the minority supports the majority. In war, the few protect the many.

bkt 02-14-2012 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by danf_fl (Post 708219)
Most wars can provide an economic upswing (Roaring Twenties, Baby Boomers, Partying 70's), and some political leaders hope for that to happen today.

Does that upswing justify all the death? How does this differ from a street thug who kills indiscriminately to enrich himself?

A strong defensive force is justifiable. Killing others for profit...not so much.

XxChino13xX 02-14-2012 06:18 PM

I believe that we have to do what we have to do. Someone is threatening our country, and our well being, take it to their doorstep until there is none left. Take EPW's as needed for intel for progression and the upper hand. Lives will be lost, yes, that is war. Lives are lost everyday here in America to other things, people passing of old age, OD, auto accidents, suicide, etc.

War is never pretty, nor will it ever be, that's expected. When we enlist in the military, we know that this could be our death wish, but we do it to serve and defend. Not everyone will agree with the war, but support the troops if you do anything.

orangello 02-14-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 708507)
Does that upswing justify all the death? How does this differ from a street thug who kills indiscriminately to enrich himself?

A strong defensive force is justifiable. Killing others for profit...not so much.

#1, it differs in the number of commas in the payoff, IMO.

Of course, many people hunt & kill their own food; how big is that difference.

bkt 02-14-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by orangello (Post 708516)
#1, it differs in the number of commas in the payoff, IMO.

Of course, many people hunt & kill their own food; how big is that difference.

Hunting generally involves killing animals for food to stay alive rather than killing other people for obtaining wealth and power over others.

PanBaccha 02-14-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 708216)
Preemptive/offensive war is unnecessary and wrong, IMO. Defensive war is necessary unless you don't care about losing everything to the aggressor.

War is big, big government business.


My sentiments exactly!


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