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zhuk 08-24-2010 10:38 AM

Hung, drawn and quartered?
 
Just emerging blinking into the light after a batsh1t-crazy election...


Australia has no Government at all in the end, after all the weeks of insanity! A 'Hung Parliament' where we won't know the result for god knows how long...and that's not the Bad news. The Greens got a candidate into the House of Reps :( and shooters worst fears realised, they will have control of the Senate in their own right for the first time ever :eek: Fortunately, this won't kick in until next July, when the new Senate will take over...so I might posssibly have some months to shoot pistol before whatever unsavoury blackmail they may try to pull on whichever major Party ends up running the country....who needs their support to pass legislation...argh!


After that....God help us all!



Nice to see the Taiwanese take an interest, heh. Tony Abbott (Conservative would-be-PM) packing an AK was particularly funny...he appears to be a pretty bad shot though. And yes, we did have the 'Australian Sex Party' running...their nude campaign launch was rather memorable lol

Yunus 08-24-2010 11:16 AM

Are all the political parties down there just one issue parties? Shooters, Greens, Sex party. I'm just confused, up here a single political issue party wouldn't get very far. We have vast reaching parties that want to tell us how to run every aspect of our lives.

zhuk 08-24-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Yunus (Post 337435)
Are all the political parties down there just one issue parties? Shooters, Greens, Sex party. I'm just confused, up here a single political issue party wouldn't get very far. We have vast reaching parties that want to tell us how to run every aspect of our lives.


Does seem a bit bizarre from the outside I guess, and in many cases from inside too heh. In the Senate there are a whole load of single-issue parties (NSW had 84 candidates to put in order of preference, which took a while). A grab-bag of all sorts including the Climate Sceptics party, the Socialist Alliance, Communists, Carer's Alliance, something strange called 'Building Australia' (wtf), the aforementioned Australian Sex Party, as well as a whole bunch of "unaligned Independents" and the usual parties Liberal, Labor, Nationals (farmers/rural), Greens etc.


In the House of Reps my electorate's choices were: Labor (my sitting member), Liberal (Conservative to you), Secular party (god knows who they are), Green, Democrat (leftish leaning, used to be a force but now just a miniscule rump), one Independent, and that hilarious Communist (the only one who sent me how-to-vote-junk-mail lol). Again, you have to put them in order of preference.

No '1st-past-the-post like UK & US. And compulsory voting so most people (95-98%) actually bother wading their way thru that hell lol


Personally, it would be weird to imagine living in a country (an allegedly democratic one) where a MINORITY of the nation decided who ran it; I find that quite a disturbing idea. Of course its not compulsory to VOTE...just to turn up & get your name checked off. Highest informal vote ever this election at about 5%, where voting papers were handed in blank or had 'f*ck off' or something similar written on them.


Pretty sure the Greens in particular have the burning need to want to run our lives here. However ineffectual in the end, it was rather satisfying to put that gun-loathing Green Lee Rhiannon 84th :D

Yunus 08-24-2010 12:11 PM

I like the idea of ranking the candidates. Condorcet method would be ideal to me. Not sure if that is similar to the way you all handle it.

Compulsory voting sounds good but I would be afraid that most people who showed up would just randomly choose or something. Our system is by no means perfect but it's only a minority who makes the decisions by choice. Everyone has the right to vote, most just choose to not exercise that right.

IMO if you don't vote (and you could have) you shouldn't get to bitch about the representatives.

zhuk 08-24-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yunus (Post 337452)
I like the idea of ranking the candidates. Condorcet method would be ideal to me. Not sure if that is similar to the way you all handle it.

Compulsory voting sounds good but I would be afraid that most people who showed up would just randomly choose or something. Our system is by no means perfect but it's only a minority who makes the decisions by choice. Everyone has the right to vote, most just choose to not exercise that right.

Seems slightly similar, Yunus. Our (equally confusing) voting method is the Preferential one mentioned here.


I guess if you are used to it (ie it is your prevailing political culture) then however much people bitch, they still attempt to make a meaningful vote when you're standing in that ballot box. Much was made of the disillusionment with both major parties this election, but still there was only a 5% informal vote.

Bit like guns in a way - if firearm ownership is already part of your culture (as it is in yours) then there is a greater acceptance overall among the general population (liberal anti-gunners nothwithstanding).


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IMO if you don't vote (and you could have) you shouldn't get to bitch about the representatives.

You said it! This is definately a prevailing attitude here.


Interesting article on possible one-term Govts:

Warning from Down Under: Obama's shaky ground


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After the euphoria of 2008 the reality of being the president was always going to bite, but his political coattails are shorter now than many might have expected. Some Democrat candidates are turning to Bill Clinton over Barack Obama for campaign help, to survive November.
Jesus, things are that bad huh? lol

Yunus 08-24-2010 01:44 PM

Yeah Obama has lost a lot of political clout but don't be surprised if things change on a dime. Up here you can be down and out one day but if the media swings your way all of a sudden you can do no wrong and your on top the next day. The media has way to much power over politics in the US.

Many strategists say that if a president wants to get elected to a second term they must pander to the polls in the first term, then in the second they get to push their real agenda. Obama has not done that. Take the Mosque in NY for example. He could have kept his mouth shut. He chose to step in S*** and his numbers reflect that.

opaww 08-24-2010 02:04 PM

What I think you members fron OZ should do is move here and take over California. We could call it New Oz. I would give it to you...and it would be easer to fix then what you got to deal with now.

zhuk 08-25-2010 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by opaww (Post 337480)
What I think you members fron OZ should do is move here and take over California. We could call it New Oz. I would give it to you...and it would be easer to fix then what you got to deal with now.


Well, we are used to economic basket-cases here in NSW, can we call that a deal? Similar weather to get used to - check. Vain and fatuous politicians - check. I'll even lower my standards and take a truncated-CA-legal AK as a sign of good faith :D

AusLach 08-25-2010 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zhuk (Post 338079)
Well, we are used to economic basket-cases here in NSW, can we call that a deal? Similar weather to get used to - check. Vain and fatuous politicians - check. I'll even lower my standards and take a truncated-CA-legal AK as a sign of good faith :D

I will be more than happy to do the same...

zhuk 08-26-2010 11:39 AM

Thank god for The Chaser :)




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