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Old 01-01-2012, 04:25 AM   #21
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The history of cartidge names could take up several volumes. The .38 S&W Special is derived from the earlier .38 S&W which was, in turn, a variation of the .38 short Colt. The .38 short Colt was intended for use in Colt Navy revolvers with a cartridge conversion. To work in the former cap and ball revolvers the bullet was .380 in diameter (give or take). The Colt used a heeled bullet (ala .22 lr) . That meant the bullet was the same diamter as the case. As time went by the cartridge was updated and used in more modern revolvers. The heeled, outside lubricated bullet was replaced by a more modern inside lubricated bullet that was smaller than the case diameter. The old moniker .38 was kept primarily for marketing purposes as it was a number people were used to and could relate to. Not until 1934 was the cartridge updated with a more accurate name (.357 Magnum). The numbering referred to the nominal bore diameter measured, in the typical American fashion, across the lands.

The .44 Magnum uses a .429 diameter bullet, but fourty four sounds sexy.

The 38-40 diverged from the normal black powder naming scheme (caliber-powder charge) in that it uses a .400 caliber bullet rather than a .38 caliber bullet.

The .44-40 uses a .427 diameter bullet.

As stated it was marketing, ego, convenience that lead to most names.

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Old 01-02-2012, 08:13 AM   #22
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Does your Ford Mustang look like a horse.
No, and it doesn't look like the airplane that it was named after either. Lee Iacocca said he named the car after the WWII airplane, not the horse. Sorry to nit pick, it's late and my mind, what there is of it, starts to do strange things.
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For cartridges that have multiple names, what makes one the "norm"?

Like 9mm Luger.. Why is it still "Luger", now that theres so many guns chambered for it? Why didnt 9x19 or 9mm Parabellum become the norm? The .38 Special was once called .38 S&W Special but the S&W was dropped after other guns were chambered for it...

Or what about the .30-40 Krag? It was originaly called .30 US or .30 US Army... I mean my Winchester '95 is marked .30 US and I have some old Remington ammo from the 20's and 30's, Its still marked either .30 US or USA, also on the back of the box it says "Developed for the Krag, Remington-Lee, Winchester 1895, Remington and Winchester single-shot Military and Sporting rifles" Why so long after the Krag was made and there being many other rifles chambered in ".30 US" did it become .30-40 Krag?
To answer this part of the question, the ".30 US Army" became the .30-40 Krag when the .30-03 and subsequently the .30-06 became the standard US Army cartridge.
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All right guys, my head is spinning.... Could you go over that one more time? But next time could you use some pie charts, laser pointers, overhead projectors....

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To answer this part of the question, the ".30 US Army" became the .30-40 Krag when the .30-03 and subsequently the .30-06 became the standard US Army cartridge.
But the .30-40 was still called the .30 US, 20-30 years after the adoption of the .30-06.. I would understand if the name changed right after the .30-06 was introduced.. But why did it take so long, and why did it matter years after the fact?

All this "naming" makes me wanna invent the weakest, most useless caliber and call it something like the ".500 ZK (Zombie Killer), "Just because I can.."
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All this "naming" makes me wanna invent the weakest, most useless caliber and call it something like the ".500 ZK (Zombie Killer), "Just because I can.."
Wouldn't you name this "weakest, most useless caliber" the "Trez Special"?
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Wouldn't you name this "weakest, most useless caliber" the "Trez Special"?
I don't care who ya are, dat's funny right dere!
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There are many factors of course but being from Canada, the factor that is immediately apparent is purely geographical. European cartriges are generally named in metric values (9mm) and american cartriges in imperial values (.357Mag).
Also, european "cartrige inventors" sometimes aim to please their largest market which is the US of A which is the case for the .357 Sig cartrige for example.

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