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Vikingdad 01-20-2012 04:25 AM

Hamilton Model 27 Info?
 
I posted this in the rimfire forum the other day. I didn't get a single response. I would like to get some advice.

I have a chance to get a Hamilton Model 27 "Boy's Rifle" and I would like to know more about them. The one I am looking at has a 15" or perhaps a 14 7/8" barrel which would present a problem here in CA as that would be considered to be a "Short Barreled Rifle" (SBR). I cannot find a serial number on it at all.

kfox75 01-20-2012 07:49 AM

The hamilton model 27 was advertised with a 16 in. barrel. If it was not cut down you should be fine. Is the rifle being sold privately or at a shop? Double check the bolt face to muzzle measurement in either case. I don't know much about these rifles, hopefully C3 will see this and be able to help you out more.

c3shooter 01-20-2012 12:54 PM

Well, it may be a short barreled rifle, but not a short barreled rifle.

The Model 27 had two different barrels. Both were formed by a unique process of bending metal to form a tube. One was BRASS (with a steel liner) other was steel. Some are 14 7/8 inches, some are 16.

HOWEVER- the BATFE, in a rare burst of common sense, decided that SOME firearms, even though having a short barrel, were not the first choice of Bonnie and Clyde, and removed them from the list of NFA firearms.

Here is the BATFE pub- see page 35. http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

It IS still a firearm (curio & relic) but not an NFA firearm.

Now, to be honest, my experience to CA is limited to changing planes at LAX, so you may want to run this thru CA DOJ, BUT- do not think it will be verboten.

PS- these rifles were made for low pressure ammo. If you shoot it, CB caps would be a real good idea.

pagj17 01-20-2012 01:31 PM

Vikingdad, sadly, with the way California's law is written, it's not QUITE illegal, because it is a c&r, but yet there is a requirement for it to be registered via NFA....
Penal codes 12020(a and b) and 12021.5

Vikingdad 01-20-2012 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pagj17 (Post 683093)
Vikingdad, sadly, with the way California's law is written, it's not QUITE illegal, because it is a c&r, but yet there is a requirement for it to be registered via NFA....
Penal codes 12020(a and b) and 12021.5


Could you clarify? This is a gift from a friend.


Thanks all, for your advice.

The barrel is not brass and has not been altered. Bolt to barrel interface is tight. The only problem with it is somehow the stock got bent out of alignment, should be easy to fix. Its a cute little gun, I will probably shoot it just for kicks but it definitely not be a "range gun". I do have a bunch of CB caps that I can shoot.

c3shooter 01-20-2012 10:49 PM

Dad, by all means, please DO talk with the CA DOJ folks. Their statues are referencing NFA Firearms- the Hamilton is NOT an NFA firearm- it was removed from the NFA by the Feds, and is a Curio & Relic.

Here is a summary of the CA gun laws. See page 8, right above machineguns.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf

pagj17 01-21-2012 01:31 AM

(7) Any firearm or ammunition that is a curio or relic as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the items pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

12020(b)7
So that specifically okays it, but I'm not a lawyer bleep blip bloop:p I agree with c3 talk to doj but they have always been confused ashworth kamala harris in, I expect it would be worse now

pagj17 01-21-2012 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pagj17
(7) Any firearm or ammunition that is a curio or relic as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations and which is in the possession of a person permitted to possess the items pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

12020(b)7
So that specifically okays it, but I'm not a lawyer bleep blip bloop:p I agree with c3 talk to doj but they have always been confused ashworth kamala harris in, I expect it would be worse now

*and with, not ash worth

Vikingdad 01-21-2012 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pagj17 (Post 683785)
*and with, not ash worth

Like Wyatt Earp said "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything."

Thanks. I was a little confused by that.

pagj17 01-21-2012 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vikingdad

Like Wyatt Earp said "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything."

Thanks. I was a little confused by that.

Lol True, I just get frustrated with my phone on "qwerty" mode and have to use the damn "swype" method, and i thought it had worked. My apologies sir:)


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