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Old 05-28-2009, 09:30 PM   #31
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It doesn't bother me if someones ancestor was a monkey or if they believe they came from some primordal soup . I know God created me as I am and that's enough for me.


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well said canis. im not going to ever say there is or is not a god, but from what has been brought to the table im still just a simple minded fun lovin athiest
That's not Atheism, thats Agnosticism and where I put my views as well. Atheism is the specific denial of a deity. Agnostics are more of a, I'm waiting for proof either way to make a judgement.


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What I find somewhat redundant (I'm not saying anyone has done it here, because they haven't) is when the evolutionists and the big bang theorists argue against creationism because we cannot explain God's origin. The big bang and evolution centers on science, even though they are both their own religion. Science tells us that matter cannot be created or destroyed. So by their own reckoning, the big bang happened because something that shouldn't be there exploded and created everything.

So we have God, who created everything by just being God, or we have nothing which for no reason whatsoever created everything, totally skipping over a scientific law.

By bypassing all scientific and theological arguments we will most always arrive at this point, but the sole difference is that one gives everything in life meaning and the other makes life worthless.
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How about this?

All organisms evolve. Let's hear it for viruses and bacteria.
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If we evolved, what did we evolve from? And why? And where is the link in between where we supposedly came from and where we are now?
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If we evolved, what did we evolve from? And why? And where is the link in between where we supposedly came from and where we are now?
What, did you miss the NatGeo special on the missing link? Plus cromagnon and homosapiens date well before the bible times.

If we came from 2 adults (Adam and Eve), then we are all inbred. That means that every human being in every form came from 2 people. Remember that the woman ate an apple from the tree of knowledge, causing our oust from paradise. Since it was banishment from a good life because knowledge was bad, then why do people try to gain knowledge? That will only cause disbelief and the realization that Genisis was adapted from a Jewish play. Question that, and you go to hell. The more you know, the deeper you seep into Satan's lair. Knowledge is no good. Boom!

I am playing the advocate of knowledge here, so don't get your knickers in a bunch over this.
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If we came from 2 adults (Adam and Eve), then we are all inbred. That means that every human being in every form came from 2 people.

I was hoping someone would bring the Adam and Eve argument into this. Since evolution at the base is beneficial mutations of a species, at one point in time to successfully breed, two similar mutations would have to exist at the beginning, and not only this, but in the entire world, these two beneficial mutations would have to be in close proximity to one another as to propagate. So coming from two of a kind would have even less chance of happening in the state of evolution vs that of Adam and Eve, meaning we wouldn't even be here at all unless we were specifically at one point in time, from two of a kind.

Also a point that we have never observed any beneficial mutations of any kind of any species.
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Also a point that we have never observed any beneficial mutations of any kind of any species.
Viruses evolve all the time.
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I was hoping someone would bring the Adam and Eve argument into this. Since evolution at the base is beneficial mutations of a species, at one point in time to successfully breed, two similar mutations would have to exist at the beginning, and not only this, but in the entire world, these two beneficial mutations would have to be in close proximity to one another as to propagate. So coming from two of a kind would have even less chance of happening in the state of evolution vs that of Adam and Eve, meaning we wouldn't even be here at all unless we were specifically at one point in time, from two of a kind.

Also a point that we have never observed any beneficial mutations of any kind of any species.
Many species of frogs can mutate into the other sex if there are a disproportionate amout of one sex in the mix.

Therein lies the failure of Jurassic Park. They used frog dna to fill the gaps.
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I believe man was created by God. I'm also seeing in this thread, a lot of interchanging of macro and micro evolution.

Micro evolution is a given, and quite observable. Macro evolution, on the other hand, is a hypothesis, and does not even meet the criteria of a theory, since it cannot be tested or observed.

None of the examples of Everest guides, Siamese cats, or Darwin's Finches, demonstrate a morphological transition from one species/genus/phylum/whatever to another. Humans are still humans, cats are still cats, and the birds are still birds.


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