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Stuie 01-21-2009 01:41 PM

Common Gun Mistakes in Movies
 
Came upon this article this morning and thought I would share.

gun mistakes

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Stupid Gun Mistakes EVERY Writer Makes
(Even Me)

I made a partial list below (I'm sure Duane Thomas can add to it) of dumb things I see in novels and comics and movies in the area of firearms. A few of these (for dramatic license) I make myself. But they're still dumb.


THE SILENCED REVOLVER If you're dumb enough to put a silencer on a revolver then you'll discover that all the noise you hoped to suppress will escape from around the cylinder. See, an automatic is a sealed system allowing gas to vent only from the end of the barrel. So all your sound is coming from the barrel as well. A revolver is not sealed. There's a gap twixt the cylinder and the barrel where they meet. This gap allows the cylinder to turn. It also allows gas and noise to escape.


THE "EMPTY" AUTOMATIC We've all seen the scene where on adversary has the drop on another at the end of a gunfight. One guy holds out an automatic to the other guy's head, says a take away line ("This is where the rubber meets the road, scumbag.) and then…click. The gun's empty! Well, when an automatic has fired its last cartridge the slide atop the action locks back. They would both know the gun was empty. At the same time the firing mechanism locks back as well so no "click". If you need to have a scene like this make sure your character's armed with a revolver.


THE SUPER ACCURATE SNIPER SCOPE This one's common. I do it myself but only because most audiences don't understand how bullets track. It's the scene where we're looking through the sniper's scope and the crosshairs land on the intended quarry square on his or her head. There it is the president, the Queen mum, the guy who made it off of Survivor island and the posts are placed right on their kissers. This might work if the sniper was standing thirty yards away. But the problem is that bullets don't fire in a flat, straight line. The longer a bullet is in flight the slower it begins to travel and the more it loses altitude. This is called "the drop". A sniper must take into account the drop, the temperature, barometric pressure and wind direction and velocity when lining up a money shot. So, over a long distance you want to have your crosshairs above the target. If all is right under God's heavens then the bullet will then "drop" where you want it. I cover this one by having my shooters mention this aspect of long range sniping. And never aim for the head. You want a "center shot" or chest shot.


"THE CORDITE THICK AS FOG." Man, did I feel dumb about five years ago when Larry Hama went on a rant about this common gaffe. Everyone at one time or another mentions the "cordite stink" of gunsmoke in their stories. But it turns out that cordite was a chemical ingredient in gunpowder for only a very short time in the late 19th Century. So, unless you're writing about Highlanders fighting their way down the Khyber this one is a major boo-boo. I don't know who immortalized this error. Probaly a yellow journalist back then. It entered the lexicon of cliches next to "grieving loved ones" and "armed conflict" that are in every reporters bag o' cliches. I cringe now when I see even writers I admire refer to cordite.


KER-CHAK! We've all seen this one. The good or bad guy had been holding a shotgun on his opposite number for a while and, just for dramatic emphasis, racks back the pump to chamber a shell. Loud Ker-Chak! Then a take-away line. "Be sure to say 'hi' to your mama when you get to Hell!" This is very cool and dramatic and I do love that sound effect. But what this actually means is that the character has been threatening everyone with a gun that has no chambered round. If he pulled the trigger nothing would happen.


SHOOTING SIDEWAYS Your gangstas just have to be different. So they aim their handguns sideways and hunch over and kind of glare along their arm in lieu of actually aiming. In fact, when they do this their eyes aren't even looking at the site but at their victim. Intimidating your intended victims is all well and good. But it comes to naught if, when you finally start busting caps, you miss the other guy by six city blocks. There's a reason we hold guns vertically. It's a more natural pose considering that the barrel of a gun is going to leap up and back when each round goes off. It's a lot easier to lower that site back to it's original position than it is to go searching for them over a 180 degree radius. Ever see Davey Crockett hold his flintlock sideways? This way is just plain dumb.


THE STARSKY AND HUTCH WALL SLIDE This one's common. The cops are in a bunch with handguns held in both hands, barrels pointed skyward and arms tight to their chests as they sideways-slide along a wall down a hallway toward the lair of some badguys. The problem with this is, that when the shooting starts, plater walls do not a bunker make. Also, in a real life gunbattle, bullets bounce, tumble and tend to track along flat surfaces like walls and floors. In real life, cops blast off a few shots and hunt for substantial cover. From this cover they shout out dire threats of retribution until the bad guys give up, run away or are determined to have died in the first hail of gunfire. If you read enough police reports about firefights those hoods pumped to the double and triple digits with lead begin to make sense. The only way to even the odds in a gunfight is to take the other guy down in a hurry in the first few seconds of the fight.


"LOOKS LIKE A NINE OR A THIRTY EIGHT" The detective shows up at the homicide scene. Takes one glance at the bulletholes in the victim and pronounces the exact caliber of the murder weapon. Maybe, I say maybe, if the victim was a piece of plywood you could do this. But a bullethole in a person quickly fills with fluid and the area around it swells. All of this masks the true size of the bullethole. Even if you were good enough to tell the diameter of the various calibers of bullets at a glance (which would be difficult if you were looking at their exact diameters drawn on a piece of paper.) that talent would be useless on a fresh corpse.

Dillinger 01-21-2009 01:49 PM

Eh. Half truth, half "I don't know what I am talking about, but I want to sound like I do because it's easier to tear down another's work than research the stuff myself".

He has some points, and also has a basic understanding of the modern firearm, but he is FAR from being 100% accurate.

6/10

And because someone is going to come along and say "What are you talking about JD - What was he wrong about?"

Let's see what the forum thinks and I will extrabolate later on in the thread where he is inaccurate....

JD

opaww 01-21-2009 01:57 PM

There were suppressed revolvers but the most successful one was the nagant sense its cylinder seals to the barrel before firing.

Not all automatics have a slide lock which engages when the mag. is empty and even some times a 1911 has been known to not lock back but most times they do.

Even a cheep scope can be accurate as long as it’s sighted in at least up to normal hunting range

robocop10mm 01-21-2009 01:57 PM

Silenced revolver. Hah, that one always makes me chuckle unless it is a nagant revolver.
Empty automatic. What if the magazine and or slide stop are defective? Slides will close on empty chambers occasionally
Scope. If the shooter knows the range and dials in the appropriate dope, the crosshairs will be on the point of impact.
Cordite. 99% of shooters have never smelled cordite. Common misnomer even with "educated" gunners.
Ker-chak. They were just being safe and not wanting to have an AD while holding the BG at bay.
Shooting sideways. We encourage gang bangers to shoot sideways. Fewer people get shot that way.
Starsky and Hutch wall slide. 20 years ago this was a common practice. Some people still hug the walls thinking it gives them some degree of safety.
9 or 38. Or .380 or .38 super or .256 TSW or .38 TJ or .38 super comp etc. Anyone who jumps to such conclusions is not a very good Homicide Detective.

BillM 01-21-2009 02:03 PM

OK--I'll start. Windage and elevation knobs. They exist for a purpose.

Next?

Dillinger 01-21-2009 02:07 PM

LOL - I love you guys. Three posts in ten minutes and we already refuted half the list. :D

This is the best source of firearm's knowledge going today!

+1 all around...

JD

dnthmn2004 01-21-2009 02:13 PM

SHOOTING SIDEWAYS Your gangstas just have to be different. So they aim their handguns sideways and hunch over and kind of glare along their arm in lieu of actually aiming. In fact, when they do this their eyes aren't even looking at the site but at their victim. Intimidating your intended victims is all well and good. But it comes to naught if, when you finally start busting caps, you miss the other guy by six city blocks. There's a reason we hold guns vertically. It's a more natural pose considering that the barrel of a gun is going to leap up and back when each round goes off. It's a lot easier to lower that site back to it's original position than it is to go searching for them over a 180 degree radius. Ever see Davey Crockett hold his flintlock sideways? This way is just plain dumb.

DUH!
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trustkill676 01-21-2009 02:31 PM

as a retort to the empty automatic section of your topic... how about the movie issue with automatics that never seem to actually GET EMPTY?

-it isnt as common of a problem as it used to be, but i can remember a few films from the big action days of the 80's and 90's and some maybe earlier than that that were terrible about this (coughcough lastmanstanding cough). i mean come on! two colts with 7+1 each that fire through rooms full of badguys for 25 shots straight?! they weren't even trying...

-my personal favorite gun blooper in movies is when you can tell they are using some kind of airsoft or airgun replica and the character is firing firing firing and the slide will lock back but the gun sound effects magically keep on happening. what kind of gun is this? where might i procure one of these enchanted, genie enhanced weapons that fire bullets with no bullets actually in them? i must know, hollywood!!!

opaww 01-21-2009 02:35 PM

How about the old cowboys six shooters that never ran out of ammo

trustkill676 01-21-2009 02:40 PM

EXACTLY! i wasnt aware of any companies during the frontier days that produced a 358 rnd 6 shooter... :p


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