California Officer in Hot Water Over Comment About Citizens Carrying Guns
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Gun Rights Advocates Target California Detective Following Facebook Posts
Sunday , February 14, 2010
By Joshua Rhett Miller
Gun rights advocates have a California police detective in their crosshairs after he apparently posted comments on Facebook advocating that "open carry" supporters should be shot.
East Palo Alto Police Det. Rod Tuason apparently posted the remarks on his Facebook page in response to a friend's status update, which suggested that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons openly — which is legal in California — should do so in places like "Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto" and not just in "hoity toity" cities.
"Haha we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied. "He got proned out [laid face-down on the ground] and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"
Several comments later, the detective suggested shooting the gun rights advocates, some of whom have carried firearms openly in recent weeks in California's Bay Area, particularly at Starbucks locations.
"Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!" Tuason wrote. "Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!" -- referring to the modified duty, commonly known as desk duty, that typically follows any instance in which an officer is investigated for firing his weapon.
Those comments caught the attention of a California attorney and blogger, as well as a Virginia man who started a Facebook group calling for Tuason's termination.
John Taylor, whose Facebook group had 54 members as of midday Friday, said the Facebook thread confirmed gun owners' worst fears.
"Any sworn officer who suggests shooting law-abiding citizens for exercising their most basic constitutional rights deserves the full wrath of America's gun owners," Taylor told FoxNews.com. "It's an affront."
California's Penal Code makes it illegal to carry concealed weapons without a county-issued license. But it is legal to carry an unloaded weapon in plain view in a holster. In most cases, it is illegal for an unconcealed weapon to be loaded.
Taylor, of Arlington, Va., who has a concealed weapons permit in his home state, said he planned to write a letter to the East Palo Alto Police Department demanding that Tuason be fired.
"The targeting, harassment and intimidation of law-abiding citizens who are peacefully agitating for their rights by a police officer is an abomination to the Constitution, and is in fact the exact reason our Founding Fathers created the Second Amendment," Taylor said. "Police officers who think they are going to get between law-abiding Americans and their Second Amendment rights are going to find themselves in the line of fire."
Tuason's comments were first noticed by California attorney Kevin Thomason, who posted a screen grab of the detective's remarks on his Web site on Sunday.
"[Tuason] didn't realize that actual PRO-GUN people also read Facebook," Thomason wrote. "Amazingly, he posted the following comment about law abiding gun owners on a friend's page. Basically, he's saying 'prone them out' (face down on the ground), and if anyone moves, kill them. I don't make this crap up."
Thomason, a member of the National Rifle Association, wrote that Tuason's comments were "worth a call" to the East Palo Alto City Council, as well as to his superior officers.
Tuason, who has since removed his Facebook profile, did not return messages seeking comment on Friday. He is reportedly being investigated by the police department's professional standards division regarding the Facebook remarks.
East Palo Alto Police Sgt. Rod Norris said he was unable to comment on the matter, but Capt. Carl Estelle told the San Jose Mercury News that police officials must be careful not to violate Tuason's First Amendment rights, since the comments appeared on his personal Web site.
"In no way are his personal comments reflective of any policies or procedures here at the department nor does he speak for the police department," Estelle told the newspaper.
The fact that I would never carry an unloaded firearm in public notwithstanding, the guy's a jerkoff.
It is also emblematic of the attitudes that we, as gun owners in California face regularly.
I have to say, this is somewhat surprising.
Not that the cops feel this way. Not that a cop in KALIFORNIA feels this way.
But that a Detective Grade Officer would be DUMB ENOUGH to post this sh!t on Facebook?!?! :eek:
This is a lay up for us on the 2A Front. This guy is going to be "scape goat to appease the Right" of the moment.
Sure, having him removedfrom his little seat of tenious power is great, but how about all those he thought he was speaking for??
The fact is, this guy thought he was speaking for the majority of people that he interacted with on a regular basis. That alone is enough to make me worry.
I fear that this biased view is more commonly shared behind the walls of power than anyone would let us believe.
And that scares me even more. :mad:
I agree JD, he just happened to drop trou publicly.
Police Officers are Police Officers 24/7/365 (366 in leap years), and posting anything like this on Facebook is reflective of his department, imo. He made some scary remarks about the treatment of law abiding citizens.
This could be good for 2A or it could take on a life with the uber anti's touting his words as a slogan.
I believe he should be removed or at least demoted and censured by his department. If I lived in his jurisdiction, I would be fearful of an officer like him deciding he/she was judge and jury. Bad people live on both sides of the law. 2A is a Constitutional right, not something some boisterous cop decides it is.
JD your not on facebook are you?
I am facebook friends with many of the young ladies I work with. OMG some of the crap that they post on there like a picture of 15 of them in a hot tub all in skimpy bikini's. Now on a personal level I am not complaining but they are teachers and parents can find them. Just a slippery slope.
I have a buddy here that didn't get hired for a job because he made a post on his myspace page about a trainee that was just dumb as a bock of rocks. He didn't use any names dates or anything that would ID the student. Still they said it was not professional and told him other than that he was a perfect fit for the job.
SOunds to me like some one needs to prone him out.
Hey maybe we can bring a few London bobbies over and they can dress up as burglars and break into his house and drag him out of his bed in the middle of the night and prone him out in his skivvies in the front yard.
There are NO mentions of my real name for the first 3 pages of Google and I am quite happy to keep it that way.
My woman works in HR for the Dark Empire ( MSFT ) and before that she worked for 2 other companies that were on the FORBES Top 100 companies in an HR role.
Those companies' ROUTINELY scout potential new hires by interwebz research and if you have some dumb ass web-blog about how you do this or that, guess what. No job for you....
In a professional world, having every random thought and random opinion right out there in the open is a SURE FIRE way to get yourself in deep sh*t in my opinion.
But hey, if you dig it, more power to you....
Good job you effing douche. Aside from the fact this guy is a craptacular piece of $hit and is a horrible example of police officers, what happens when this idiot shoots someone on duty? Even if it is justified with this in his jacket, he will get crucified. Not to mention if an officer in the near future shoots an armed but unloaded citizen.
Even though facebook is "private." it could easily be argued in court that it is public just by the shear number of people who can view it. i.e. it may be posted to a friend, but when a friend posts on it, their friends can see it and so on. So what was between friends is now between thousands of people.
I won't even go into the fact that LE are LE 24/7 and their conduct off duty should be the same as if you were in a patrol car with the COP in the passenger seat. I may be retired, but my ID says "Retired Officer." My COP was very specific that I was still an officer and will conduct myself as such.
and another thing, If facebook is not public then how did the news get a hold of it and how did the attorney that does not know him see it?
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