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View Poll Results: Which one do you want to have in a deadly predator encounter?
44 magnum revolver 27 39.71%
50 S&W revolver 17 25.00%
45 ACP 1911 4 5.88%
10mm 4 5.88%
AR 15 5.56 carbine 16 23.53%
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Old 07-05-2013, 11:41 AM   #11
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.44 Mag works for me.

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So the 44 and the AR15 are the top two choices. Here's the question that has been coming to my mind as I look at the firearms I have, and what I may purchase (in consideration of heading out west again).

A 44 magnum produces about 900 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.

A 500 S&W produces about 2400 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.

An AR15 5.56 produces about 1300 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.

The odds of putting multiple shots on target are far greater with the carbine than any of the pistols. Penetration would likely be better as well. So if I'm not backpacking and trying to minimize weight to the 10th of the ounce, why wouldn't I just pull the AR out of the bag in the trunk and take that with me?

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AR-15. More rounds, more accurate shots and an acceptable rifle cartridge.

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I don't know from firsthand knowledge but everything I have read says the .223/5.56 would not bring down a Grizz even if you throw 30 rounds into it. Might be different with some expanding ammo though.

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I don't know from firsthand knowledge but everything I have read says the .223/5.56 would not bring down a Grizz even if you throw 30 rounds into it. Might be different with some expanding ammo though.
Are these reports from people who have actually seen this first hand, or from people who are assuming?

I have a hard time believing 30 rds of 5.56 wouldn't takedown anything short of a tank. As you said, expanding ammo may improve it's takedown ability though. That is an easy fix.
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Are these reports from people who have actually seen this first hand, or from people who are assuming?

I have a hard time believing 30 rds of 5.56 wouldn't takedown anything short of a tank. As you said, expanding ammo may improve it's takedown ability though. That is an easy fix.
I have heard it from veterans, who are using non-expanding ammo. Yes, that would make a big difference but would it be big enough? From what I understand the military rounds pass through. A buddy of mine said that when he was in Somalia they would shoot the skinnies and not know if they hit them because they would just keep moving. Granted they were jacked up on khat, but a Grizzly is jacked up on, well, just being a big damned bear!

The S&W 500 causes a hell of a lot of hydraulic damage. I think that would give you the edge with such a large animal.
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Well , being the experienced out doors man I claim to be , that 10mm and the slowest friend I can think of ...! Eeeek..!

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I noticed .17 HMR isn't on the list ......
I like how you think! Make the bear suffer!

I voted .44 mag, but I would really like a .44 mag and the spike bayonet from my SKS and maybe an electric chainsaw and/or electric weedeater for funsies.


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The odds of putting multiple shots on target are far greater with the carbine than any of the pistols. Penetration would likely be better as well. So if I'm not backpacking and trying to minimize weight to the 10th of the ounce, why wouldn't I just pull the AR out of the bag in the trunk and take that with me?
Why not? Because some tree-humping ranger could claim you were really hunting the bear with that scary death-slinging "assault rifle", leading to your incarceration and probable violation. But seriously, in this day and age, carrying a rifle with a visible magazine would draw more fire than a nice, old-timey-looking revolver, should you have the ill-fortune to cross paths with badged or un-badged tree-humping conservationistas.
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I like how you think! Make the bear suffer!

I voted .44 mag, but I would really like a .44 mag and the spike bayonet from my SKS and maybe an electric chainsaw and/or electric weedeater for funsies.
How about a Taser?
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How about a Taser?
Nice thought, but depending on the season, the bear might be packing too much fat for it to be effective. Now in combination with a regular cattle prod and an old-school bear trap, a taser could be quite fun. Wonder if they sell a taser with a remote control...
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