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sculker 09-17-2008 05:26 PM

Audit: ATF lost 76 weapons, hundreds of laptops

Audit: ATF lost 76 weapons, hundreds of laptops

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer2 hours, 47 minutes ago

The ATF lost 76 weapons and hundreds of laptops over five years, the Justice Department reported Wednesday, blaming carelessness and sloppy record-keeping.

Thirty-five of the missing handguns, rifles, Tasers and other weapons were stolen, as were 50 laptops, the internal audit found. Two of the stolen weapons were used in crimes.

The audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine found "inadequate" oversight of weapons and laptops resulted in "significant rates of losses" at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"It is especially troubling that that ATF's rate of loss for weapons was nearly double that of the FBI and DEA, and that ATF did not even know whether most of its lost, stolen, or missing laptop computers contained sensitive or classified information," he added.

In a Sept. 10 letter responding to the audit, ATF acting Director Michael J. Sullivan said his agency "agrees or partially agrees with most of the recommendations."

"We are revising our procedures of reporting losses of weapons or laptops," Sullivan said.

The audit looked at ATF's inventory of weapons, laptops, ammunition and explosives between Oct. 1, 2002 and Aug. 31, 2007.

It found that ATF lost three times more weapons each month than it had in a similar 2002 audit by the Treasury Department, which used to oversee the agency. It also lost 50 times as many laptops as reported in the earlier audit.

Of the 76 weapons, 35 were reported stolen, 19 lost and 12 missing from inventories, investigators found. Of the 418 missing laptops, 50 were stolen, 8 lost and 274 could not be found during inventory. Another 86 laptops were unaccounted for because ATF had either destroyed or lost documents showing where they were, the audit concluded.

Two weapons reported stolen were used to commit crimes. In one instance, a gun was stolen from an ATF car parked outside the agent's home and later used to shoot through the window of another residence, the audit found. In the other, a stolen ATF gun was taken from a burglary suspect.

Additionally, ATF employees did not report 13 of the 76 lost weapons, or 365 of the 418 missing laptops, to internal affairs as required. ATF officials also did not report much of the lost equipment to the Justice Department.

Investigators could not conclude what was on 398 of 418 missing laptops — except that few were encrypted. That means any sensitive material on the laptops could have been exposed.

Moreover, "we found that ATF did not regularly attempt to determine whether the lost, stolen or missing laptop computers contained sensitive or classified information," the audit said.

But few — only 18 of 7,500 — ATF laptops were authorized to hold classified information.

Compared to weapons loss rates for the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration, the ATF misplaced almost twice as many guns. The audit found that the ATF lost .52 weapons per 1,000 employees, compared to .29 at the FBI and .28 at the DEA.

Fine's investigators concluded there were proper controls and oversight of explosives in ATF's possession, and good security for ammunition. However, nine of 20 ATF field offices surveyed did not have proper accounting methods for ammunition.

In a statement responding to the audit, ATF Assistant Director W. Larry Ford said the agency disciplined employees whose carelessness or improper handling of equipment resulted in losses.

"ATF is committed to safeguarding its inventory of weapons and laptop computers in the interest of public safety," Ford said. "ATF agrees that rigorous and thorough internal controls will enhance its ability to account for, and most importantly prevent, thefts and losses of weapons and laptop computers." :eek:;_ylt=AvZ9cSi1HE.TDXAxJAAzxBNh24cA

dragunovsks 09-17-2008 08:23 PM

Lost items, or "fallen off the back off the truck" as they say. I wonder how much of this stuff went home with ATF agents?

Dillinger 09-17-2008 08:25 PM

Hey! sculker's back! Welcome back bro....:D

5 years worth of audits with limited, to almost zero, long term accountability. Personally I am surprised the number is that small...


jeepcreep927 09-17-2008 08:30 PM

And BATFE wants to keep track of OUR guns? I wonder if they came knocking and my response was: "I lost my guns years ago, dunno where though", they would just go away?

allmons 09-18-2008 02:58 AM

On behalf of thinking Americans everywhere,
I just want to say, the BATFE should be abolished poste haste.

The explosives division should be given to the FBI.

There aren't enough moonshiners left to need an entire agency, so give alcohol enforcement to the DEA.

Tobacco will be banned completely if the left wing fanatics have their way, so no tobacco division is necessary.

If there were ever a need for firearms enforcement ( which I don't really believe there should be ), the FBI could handle, dontcha think?

So kill the BATFE, fire the field agents, prosecute the leaders for treason and fire everone in Congress NOW!

There. We've solved their embarrassing little "problem".


gregs887 09-18-2008 04:04 AM

I know where all of my guns are....

Slickrick214 09-18-2008 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by jeepcreep927 (Post 40971)
And BATFE wants to keep track of OUR guns? I wonder if they came knocking and my response was: "I lost my guns years ago, dunno where though", they would just go away?

Sadly yes even though these idiots can't keep track of thier own guns.

mpoirier22114 09-18-2008 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by gregs887 (Post 41057)
I know where all of my guns are....

me too right in my gun safe:D

c3shooter 09-18-2008 05:29 PM

Well, I always though that "Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms" would be a heck of a name for a convenience store........
I wonder if Mayor Bloomberg will be suing to have a "Special Master" appointed to oversee operations of the BATFE? Um... just how many guns was it that the NYPD has lost from the property room ? Oh. Never mind.

Dillinger 09-18-2008 05:35 PM

Were you refering to this report?

According to the New York Times, “nearly one out of three handguns and rifles that had been turned in to the police could not be immediately accounted for in a Manhattan property clerk’s office.” :rolleyes:


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