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Old 04-23-2012, 01:35 PM   #241
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Anyone else notice the issues the Toyota teams have been having this year with their engines? They are lunching motors right and left. The Chevy teams have been having some issues also, but the Ford teams have been having no mechanical problems since they introduced the new engine last year.

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Anyone else notice the issues the Toyota teams have been having this year with their engines? They are lunching motors right and left. The Chevy teams have been having some issues also, but the Ford teams have been having no mechanical problems since they introduced the new engine last year.
Some of it has to do with the NASCAR mandated rear end gear. They were saying before the race that they were using more gear than previously, so the RPMs were higher. High speed track, high RPM and few cautions, in cool weather, your going to grenade some engines. I think that if NASCAR were to give a range of permitted gear ratios, rather than say "use this and like it," you might see less of this. Ford held up better this week, that's not to say it will continue.
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I think the open wheel drivers making the jump over to NASCAR, such as JPM, etcetera have already proved these "rednecks" can drive. Stewart is the only one who's had any measurable success.
are you talking former open wheelers or road courses?

I think that if they want to claim "they are the best driversin the world" they should strap on rain tires, windshield wipers and a brake light and run 'em in the rain!!!

They did it with the Busch cars in Montreal with no problems!
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are you talking former open wheelers or road courses?

I think that if they want to claim "they are the best driversin the world" they should strap on rain tires, windshield wipers and a brake light and run 'em in the rain!!!

They did it with the Busch cars in Montreal with no problems!
I'm talking about the frequent claim that NASCAR racing doesn't require skill like the "other" types of "real" racing. "all they do is press the gas and keep turning left". If it's so easy, why can't the "real" drivers from the "true" styles of racing, cross over and dominate these "rednecks", as they were called? Tony Stewart, to my knowledge is the only one to have done so with any real success.

That's what I'm saying. It's two different disciplines, requiring two different machines. Both are "real" racing, I assure you.
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I'm talking about the frequent claim that NASCAR racing doesn't require skill like the "other" types of "real" racing. "all they do is press the gas and keep turning left". If it's so easy, why can't the "real" drivers from the "true" styles of racing, cross over and dominate these "rednecks", as they were called? Tony Stewart, to my knowledge is the only one to have done so with any real success.

That's what I'm saying. It's two different disciplines, requiring two different machines. Both are "real" racing, I assure you.
I love the whole "redneck" bit. Let's see, Jimmy Johnson is from CA, as is Jeff Gordon. Tony Stewart is from Indiana, as is Ryan Newman, IIRC. The Busch bros.(I know, boo, hiss) are from Las Vegas. If one takes an honest look, rednecks are getting rare in NASCAR.
Then there is the "All they do is turn left" guy. Seriously, if it's that simple, why aren't you making millions doing it? Sure, simple in concept, execution is another matter.
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Not the rain tires again...you can't run rain tires on an oval track, just road courses. They have no traction control, speed control or other devices like the open wheel cars. They are big and heavy race cars with a very narrow tire patch. They are very difficult to drive...they use their right foot and the seat of their pants feel to run on the ragged edge. Those narrow radial tires a not forgiving if you get loose, they will spin you out in a heart beat.

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I love the whole "redneck" bit. Let's see, Jimmy Johnson is from CA, as is Jeff Gordon. Tony Stewart is from Indiana, as is Ryan Newman, IIRC. The Busch bros.(I know, boo, hiss) are from Las Vegas. If one takes an honest look, rednecks are getting rare in NASCAR.
Then there is the "All they do is turn left" guy. Seriously, if it's that simple, why aren't you making millions doing it? Sure, simple in concept, execution is another matter.
I think you quoted the wrong poster there, O.K.

I'm sayin' what you're sayin'. Take it up with fmj...he's the one dogging the no driving "rednecks", bud. Not me.
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I wish they would put another road course on the schedule...something like Road America in WI or Augusta or old dominion.

Its the true test if these red necks can actually drive or not. I mean you are forced to turn right, turn left, brake, work the gears etc. You are actually driving and not just "Mash the gas and turn left".

In the chase we have every type of track represented, short tracks, plate tracks, cookie cutters, why not a road course?
I agree, it would be great to have a road course in the chase. As far as open wheelers making the transition, i dont think it has anything to do with a lack of skill, more to do with adopting a whole new mindset. The cars are heavier, have less traction, and downforce. stock cars are less about the equipment, and more about the driver, In INDYCAR if your car is faster than the one in front of you, but not fast enough to make a clean pass, you just ride around stuck there. In stock cars, you have the option of "moving them out of the way" i think the 200mph door to door, beatin and bangin, in a pack of 15 cars, rubin is racin, pushing each other around stuff, its more of a mental transition than anything, Theres none of that on open wheel. If they even touch each other, those cars instantly disintegrate.
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Damn boys, put your hackles down!!

Yes, Rain tires on ovals! If you spin out, your over driving your equipment...the SAME holds true on dry, sunny days! PERIOD! ANY argument about "Big heavy cars on tiny tires" holds true under ANY weather condition.

If you dont like the term "redneck" used for NASCAR, i propose you learn a little about the history of the sport before you "jump with both feet".

Last time I checked, REAL driving required the use of clutch, and steering wheel and brakes. Road courses are the true measure of a drivers skill set!

(and this is coming from someone that isnt much of a fan of Jeff Gordon (undisputed road course king) and Stewrat 2nd in the all time, active driver, road course wins column)

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I love the whole "redneck" bit. Let's see, Jimmy Johnson is from CA, as is Jeff Gordon. Tony Stewart is from Indiana, as is Ryan Newman, IIRC. The Busch bros.(I know, boo, hiss) are from Las Vegas. If one takes an honest look, rednecks are getting rare in NASCAR.
Then there is the "All they do is turn left" guy. Seriously, if it's that simple, why aren't you making millions doing it? Sure, simple in concept, execution is another matter.
Ummm Gordo was RAISED in IN and cut his teeth running the same midwest dirt tracks as Stewrat and Newman and Kahne and a large portion of the rest of the NASCAR elite.
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