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Old 04-22-2013, 09:03 PM   #21
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Not illegal. You can even burn it in the rain, using it to make light at night. When and where were they doing this?

As for treatment of the prisoner, I'd like to know what they were thinkin', what their plans were, why, and who was their support system. My guess is they were getting taxpayer money...

I love that the Party-of-the-Left, who blamed conservative patriots of this until these guys were identified, is now using this, with the RINO's, to push for amnesty for illegal aliens. That's perfectly logical, right!?
Actually, you can't get more "conservative" than a Muslim Extremists, and, the survivor was a citizen, so, in fact, that was correct.

Isn't what you are miffed about similar to the thread on the web here "Obama Supports Terrorists? Is this ok in one place, wrong in the other?

We do have some history of Conservative Patriots blowing up things and killing babies. We don't have a history of our President supporting terrorists.
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Your Muslims must be different to ours then, we have the socialist "Respect" party (who are a joke in themselves) in the UK which is made up of and aimed at attracting Muslim radicals.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_Party

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I would have no problem locking him up and throwing away the key. But Americans have to be evenhanded when dealing with terrorists. If a terrorist broke a nail here in jail the first government on shooting foul was the American government (double standards). PS Maybe terrorism is looked differently when it comes to your own door.
Manta I think I am agreeing with you but I don't understand the third sentence. I think it is a word usage confusion, I don't understand what you mean by "shooting foul".
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When a citizen of any nation turns against that nation with a force of arms does he retain his rights as a citizen? The past history of the United States would not support these rights after such rejections. Without compiling hours of examples lets look at two which are common knowledge. The American Civil War, those who took up arms against the Nation lost their rights. The rebels had to take the oath to the nation to become citizens. The Irish Troops who defected to the cause of the Mexican people during the "Texas" War lost more than their freedom.

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how about we just disregard the Constitution. lets forget about our rights and freedoms. yeah, like it or not he's an American citizen too.

lets forget about due process of law. lets forget about a fair trial. lets just take him out back and put a bullet in his head.

i guess you won't whine or cry about your rights when it happens to you, huh?
I guess that if he wasn't a US citizen he'd go to Gitmo indefinitely, without charge or trial.

Whilst that place stays open it underlines a double standard that exists in how terrorists are dealt with depending on nationality.

On the flipside we can't deport Abu qatada a terrorist in our country to his own country because of the EU human rights laws which quite frankly are not fit for purpose.
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Manta I think I am agreeing with you but I don't understand the third sentence. I think it is a word usage confusion, I don't understand what you mean by "shooting foul".
Probaly the wrong word. I mean they complained shouted about abuse if terrorist were harmed or if they were killed while for instance carrying out a attack they were intercepted and killed during a attack. Not all Americans obviously, the Irish American lobby for example were the first to start shouting. But most have changed their attitude after the attacks on America.
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We don't have a history of our President supporting terrorists.
Muslim brotherhood, fighter jets, money, arms, numerous international terrorist organizations...

They're connected. Eye dee ten tee.
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Actually, you can't get more "conservative" than a Muslim Extremists, and, the survivor was a citizen, so, in fact, that was correct.

Isn't what you are miffed about similar to the thread on the web here "Obama Supports Terrorists? Is this ok in one place, wrong in the other?

We do have some history of Conservative Patriots blowing up things and killing babies. We don't have a history of our President supporting terrorists.
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actually they are a theocracy. conservatism isnt based in religion controlling everything. liberals worship at the feet of their leadership and blindly follow every fatwah handed down from on high. theocracy and liberalism are much closer since you will never ever see a liberal democrat disagree with a thing their leadership does or says.

you will often see conservatives disagreeing with their party membership in leader positions but you never see that in the liberals, ever. that sort of belief is the same sort you see in muslim fanatics listening to their mullahs

theocracy is a form of socialism as the state controls every aspect of life through the interpratation of religious beliefs. socialism controls every aspect of the lives of its citizens by mandate or rule of majority. neither is based on freedom. socialism and theocracy are forms of oppression and closely tied to fascism.

cnn msnbc abc cbs are the least watched even in a crisis. fox news and local news casts routinely out ratings them. hell even spongebob gets better ratings.
Oh, and as for Conservatives being the ones killing random people, and committing terrorism, you need to pull you head out of your ass for once Chain.

Ft Hood - Registered Democrat

Columbine - both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

Virginia Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff - Registered Democrat

Aurora Theater - Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign;
Occupy Wall Street participant; & progressive liberal.

Sandy Hook - Registered Democrat.

Giffords Shooter - Liberal who's favorite reading was the Communist Manifesto.

ALL of these organizations are Liberal

Weather Underground - Among other things, they firebombed the police.

Earth Liberation Front - Burned down a Ranger station and committed acts of eco terrorism.

Animal Liberation Front - Committed arson, acts of terrorism, and other illegal acts.

The Black Panthers - Committed acts of violence and murder.

The Black Liberation Army - Committed bombings, theft, acts of violence, and murder.

SDS - Many of their demonstrations became violent.

United Freedom Front - Committed numerous bombings.

M19CO - Committed bombings, robberies, and helped break some criminals out of prison.
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Oh, and as for Conservatives being the ones killing random people, and committing terrorism, you need to pull you head out of your ass for once Chain.

Ft Hood - Registered Democrat

Columbine - both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

Virginia Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff - Registered Democrat

Aurora Theater - Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign;
Occupy Wall Street participant; & progressive liberal.

Sandy Hook - Registered Democrat.

Giffords Shooter - Liberal who's favorite reading was the Communist Manifesto.

ALL of these organizations are Liberal

Weather Underground - Among other things, they firebombed the police.

Earth Liberation Front - Burned down a Ranger station and committed acts of eco terrorism.

Animal Liberation Front - Committed arson, acts of terrorism, and other illegal acts.

The Black Panthers - Committed acts of violence and murder.

The Black Liberation Army - Committed bombings, theft, acts of violence, and murder.

SDS - Many of their demonstrations became violent.

United Freedom Front - Committed numerous bombings.

M19CO - Committed bombings, robberies, and helped break some criminals out of prison.
Boy you are digging deep there. The Students for a Democratic Society? I haven't heard from them since I wore bell-bottoms.

There is a difference in some of the people you listed who commited crimes, not for political motives, but because they were crazy as bed-bugs.

Adam Lanza was no hippie and at 20 years old, he hadn't been a registered anything for very long. I very much doubt that his gun-toting mother was an Obama voter, but I could be wrong, but that is besides the point. He did not kill for political reasons. He killed because he was a crazy SOB seeking immortality.

Keep in mind also, that if you live in a predominantly Democrat precinct, you may register as a democrat to be able to vote in the primaries, so that doesn't count for much. Actions speak louder than words.

The Fort Hood killer may have been a Democrat but He killed because he was a card toting Muslim. Muslims are not known for liberalism.

But, since you brought up the subject, here are some of your brethren who professed conservative politics, and committed crimes to support their belief systems.

How about good old Tim McVeigh, to start, a good Catholic, and hard core right winger who killed in order to start a revolution. His buddy Nichols was not a tree-hugger either.

Eric Rudolph, Michael Griffin, Paul Hill, Lee Ann Nichols, James Kopp, Bruce and Joshua Turnidge (such a cute Father and son team) Scott Roeder, Robert Matthews, Aryan Brotherhood, KKK, Neo-Nazis and other skin-heads, and the list goes on and on.

It is the conservatives who call anti-American things like secession and a violent overthrow of the government. I don't worry about the tree-huggers or animal rescue too much. As I am so frequently reminded, it is theconservatives who have the guns......Where is your head?
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I think a 50 caliber enemy would be more in order for the bomber!

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