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gadrooning 02-17-2010 02:19 PM

American Made?????
 
I never did understand the arguement of buy Ford, buy Chevy, buy John Deer, it is American. ???? I usually get a tick when I hear or read someone saying " well thats why I bought american. ???? I think people are still in the dissalution that these "domestic" companies are 100 percent American. I am all about America first, but people have to wake up and realize these corperations are global. Fords, Chevy, John Deer, etc. are global. Same is true for the so called foreign importers such as Kia, Toyota, bmw, etc. These are made and assembled in the US as well, filling the pockets of our american blue collar workers and shareholders. Did you know that Buick does more sales in China that the us? I am just using the automobile industry as an example. This pertains to all industries. I have owned Fords, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Nissans, Toyota's, and currently drive a BMW. That's right a Bmw. Guess what it is a 100 percent made in Spartensburg SC. It is German engineered and a 100 percent american made. If you are so apt to stand on your soapbox of american made. I have one question for you. Where do you do most of your shopping. I willing to bet most of us will say Walmart. Did you know Walmart is the biggest importer in the world. They bring in more containers than any other company, mostly from China. I am willing to bet that the clothes that you are wearing including your shoes are either manufactured in China, Korea, or Mexico. I am not against Walmart since they do provide a valuable service and provide jobs for thousands if not millions of Americans. Think American, think Global.

cpttango30 02-17-2010 02:25 PM

+1 on this. Finally someone that thinks like I do.

Major Kusanagi 02-17-2010 03:08 PM

+1 as well.

I think many people forget that we build many of the foreign investors technological and infrastructure products that are made right here in the States. Just because it has a Korean or Japanese name on doesn't mean it is made in those countries. As you said, think American, think global.
May I also add to your argument that just because an individual advocates buying American and tries to practice what they preach doesn't always mean that what they are getting a quality product. Heck, look at what we talk most on here: weapons. There are plenty of weapons made 100% in Germany, Czech Republic, Croatia, Switzerland, and Belgium that are top notch in quality.

I sometimes think we as a nation have a tendency to use a blind, almost quasi-nationalistic faith in defining what it means to be American, especially when it comes to products made here. I think people forget that it isn't a trade goods that defines a nation. It is their borders, language, and culture that does. I just wish more people understood that.

TXnorton 02-17-2010 04:24 PM

The important thing is to TRY to buy items that are actually made in the US, by Americans, where your dollars are going to some business that actually pays wages to Americans.

In the early 80's I finally listened to my Dad who would always tell me to buy American every time I bought a Honda or Toyota vehicle. Back then neither Honda or Toyota had US manufacturing. So I bought a Dodge van. Took it home and then saw the sticker "Assembled in Mexico". Crap. Later I bought a Dodge Ramcharger, took it home and saw the sticker "Assembled in Canada". Crap x 2.

Today I buy Ford trucks, because I can see which US plant it was assembled in. However, I have to accept that some parts or component assemblies may be of foreign supply. I will not buy a GM or Chyrsler product because they took the Obama stimulus money. I would buy a US made Honda or Toyota.

Yunus 02-17-2010 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TXnorton (Post 231939)
I will not buy a GM or Chyrsler product because they took the Obama stimulus money. I would buy a US made Honda or Toyota.

I agree with everything said so far, but wanted to see this part repeated. Until they repay all the money (like that will ever happen) they are bankrupt companies as far as I'm concerned. Which sucks because I just bought a crossover (Mazda CX-9) and really liked some of the GM options but would not consider them.

Highpower 02-17-2010 06:04 PM

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The important thing is to TRY to buy items that are actually made in the US, by Americans, where your dollars are going to some business that actually pays wages to Americans.
If the US could manufacture quality goods at reasonable prices, I wouldn't hesitate one bit to "buy American". My problem is I always see one or the other - but rarely both.

Also, I have worked for both Toyota and Honda in the past (19 years) and they paid this American, very handsomely. :D

Jo da Plumbr 02-17-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Highpower (Post 231986)
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Also, I have worked for both Toyota and Honda in the past (19 years) and they paid this American, very handsomely. :D

But understand that Japanese Companies donít make cars here out of the goodness of their hearts. They make cars in America because it increases their profits. Those profits then go back to Japan. Taxes on those profits are paid to Japan. And some of those profits go to buying American real estate. Not too long ago Japanese companies held much if not most of the investment real estate in Honolulu. They also owned many of the high-rise office buildings in Los Angeles. American companies canít buy property in Japan but we sell them our country.

orangello 02-17-2010 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo da Plumbr (Post 232001)
Those profits then go back to Japan. Taxes on those profits are paid to Japan. And some of those profits go to buying American real estate.

While i agree that it is better to buy products made in the U.S. by U.S. companies, it can be challenging these days. That isn't exactly the whole truth, though. Though taxes are paid to Japan on what Toyota earns from its U.S. divisions, taxes are also paid to the U.S. on the earnings of those U.S. divisions, since the divisions themselves are U.S. corporations. Additionally, Toyota operations here do contribute to the public coffers through payroll & property taxes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motor_North_America Wiki list of Toyota's companies in the U.S.

Highpower 02-17-2010 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo da Plumbr (Post 232001)
But understand that Japanese Companies donít make cars here out of the goodness of their hearts.

And the US companies do? :confused:

I know what you are saying Jo, and I agree. So what are we to do? MORE bail out money because we can't compete with their success?

orangello 02-17-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Highpower (Post 232019)
So what are we to do? MORE bail out money because we can't compete with their success?

We need to do what they did after the U.S. rebuilt their country post WW2, learn what our competitors do & do it better.

The big Japanese secret of Just In Time inventory (big advantage in the 80's & 90's) was suposedly copied from Piggly Wiggly grocery stores here in the U.S. Maybe some U.S. manufacturers should find a way to have decent employee relations without being unionized; that would save a bit on each car. I read an estimate (late '90's numbers) that about $1500 of the selling price of the theoretical "average U.S.-made car" was needed to cover insurance benefits for union employees. Maybe U.S. companies could try that Japanese development process that starts with a proposed product & estimated selling price & profit margin & works backwards to make that product for the selling price less the profit margin.

I don't think this country can live on income from the service sector alone; we need some manufacturing too.


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