Gunnut, in BF3 you Must have skill to use a sniper rifle, in MW3 the bullet goes straight for what seems to be no end. Sure each game can piss you off, because of mods or camping virgins. The major problem with BF3 I have seen is the kick/ ban happy admins, for instance one guy can be breaking the "no grenade launcher rule" and he doesn't get kicked/ banned but the second you pick one up you are kicked/ banned. MW3 IMHO is a total waste of $60, sure the story was ok; but still the multiplayer is still garbage. Both games have their differences and shortcomings, but if you want realism go for BF3, if you'd rather have something to just play without actual sniping go for the MW3. I'm not trying to pull any triggers, it's just my take on both games.