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Old 09-21-2012, 04:16 AM   #21
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The only ones to screw things up are the lying liberal swine scum media. That bar could end crime in that neighborhood, and have the safest record for 20 years, and the day ONE thing goes wrong, the MSM scum are going to pounce on it like its the unholy breakdown of society as we know it.


They haven't even built it yet, and the scum journalists are writing about it.....

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I have a few questions. 1) do fights occur at normal bars? 2) Yes they say your card is flagged, but you still have your gun on you, correct? 3) In the state of Indiana you can not have your weapon with you while you are drinking, are they going to ask all the permit holders to take their guns to the car? 4) wouldn't that be against their rights? It's a cool idea, but I see some asshat screwing it all up.
Yes normal bars have fights...but who's to say people aren't carrying in the normal bar? Also who's going to start a problem knowing that most people could possibly be armed (other than people that want suicide by gun shop). Yes the problem can arise but it also could happen anywhere. I've been out and had a couple drinks while I was cc'ing but I didn't shoot no one, which I doubt the majority would also do. One persons actions do not define what the populous will do. I understand the concern for it but they serve beer at gun shows down here and I've never heard of an issue happen although I know it's a little different. I like the idea they have and hope it works out.
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I would like to think that this range/bar is going to have a smarter class of drinker than your average dive bar where inebriated asshats get in fights over the most minor slight. Come to think of it I have not been in a bar of any kind for God knows how long, as I don't enjoy the sort of people who hang out in bars, but on the other hand I have been to a couple of clubs. Different sort of clientele.

But if there ever is a gunfight in the parking lot they will be shut down before the smoke clears.

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Azzhats can find ways to screw up anything. I see no problem with responsible people doing anything they wish responsibly.

anyone here heard of fitness clubs that have bars in them? here are people who are fatigued from working out ... consuming alchohol ... then driving home

don't hear anyone complaining about that one
I have never heard of this.....dehydrated people shouldn't be drinking for sure. Who the hell goes to a gym to drink? Very strange.
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All the Sportsman's clubs, Rod & Gun clubs, etc. I have visited in WI have some sort of liquor license, usually beer only. These clubs also have a rule of "shoot before you drink". No fancy card scanner system either.

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I would like to think that this range/bar is going to have a smarter class of drinker than your average dive bar where inebriated asshats get in fights over the most minor slight. Come to think of it I have not been in a bar of any kind for God knows how long, as I don't enjoy the sort of people who hang out in bars.

But if there ever is a gunfight in the parking lot they will be shut down before the smoke clears.
Agreed. This seems like it will be an upscale kind of place and while I know that does not mean there will not be idiots, the chance of a couple drunk hillrods getting in a fight is less.

I grew up in rural Maine, EVERYONE seemed to have guns. There rifles and shotguns in the back of every ones pickup truck in my high school parking lot. There were also rifles and shotguns in peoples cars at the local bar. As was said above, most of the rod and gun clubs serve beer or at least let you byob in the clubhouse, I think there are people commenting who have not really been around other areas of our country and have no clue what life is like outside their little bubble.

There is a indoor go cart racing place near me that has a bar. They don't let you race after you have had a drink. It's a pretty simple concept.

I think it is a great idea. There are people here who don't have the whole story and are speculating. This range/bar might very require you to secure the firearm in your vehicle or maybe they will offer a secure place to store it while you are in the bar area, we don't really know yet. They seem to have a solid plan in place and I wish them luck.
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I don't drink, but hearing gun folks talk about limiting something legal is kinda wierd.

It's kinda like hearing non-gun owners talking abouting limiting guns.

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I have a few questions. 1) do fights occur at normal bars? 2) Yes they say your card is flagged, but you still have your gun on you, correct? 3) In the state of Indiana you can not have your weapon with you while you are drinking, are they going to ask all the permit holders to take their guns to the car? 4) wouldn't that be against their rights? It's a cool idea, but I see some asshat screwing it all up.
Okay, you can Rube Goldberg this to death if you want too, but I will play along.

1) Do fights occur in bars? Yes. Usually over a female. Or a sporting event. Or other childish behavior. Do people that go to bars and engage in these sorts of chest beating behavior already have guns in their vehicles or knives on their person? I would have to say most likley yes.

2) Even if the gun is on you, or in your range bag at the table, doesn't make having a couple of beers with your friends, or your lady, an instant full force scenario. If that were the case, I think we would see a lot more people getting killed in bar fights, instead of getting into bar fights.

3) This is Georgia, so the Indiana laws are irrelevent to the discussion as apparently in Georgia no such law exists. Therefor by it being legal to in possession of a gun, on private property that has a license to sell alcohol, you are not in violation of any laws and by counter to that, no Right have been stepped upon.

4) Is no longer a concern, see above.

I am with Dog, if you look hard enough, you will find an icehole somewhere who will go out of their way to f*ck up a good thing for all.

We have an indoor range here, Wade's Eastside Guns. They have had, that I can count, no less than 3 suicides in the range area with people taking rented guns to the bathroom and shooting themselves. And there was NO alcohol involved, so should all indoor ranges in my area be closed because some people can't be trusted?

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I live in CT and in order to shoot legally, I had to join a private rod n gun club. This club is old and to the best of my knowledge, has been serving liquor for quite some time.

Members are expected to shoot first and then they can enjoy a beverage of choice after. We don't have any fancy card system but as of this year, we now have video cameras up on all ranges n the bar area.

The cameras caused quite a stir at first as my club operates on the honor system but insurance cost for gun clubs are ridiculous and getting worse.

No beverage taste quite as sweet as the one won at the range or the golf course.
I used to enjoy teaching newbees how to shoot and many enjoyed the roaring fire of the lounge n drinks as part of a positive -" gun club experience."

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As long as the adults keep things sorted, I don't see the problem. FWIW, I suspect Jim-Bob & Bubba aren't the target audience. It sounds more Beverly Hills than Beverly Hillbilly. Besides, it simply saves the drive from the range to the Bar & Grill. Frankly I hate the assumption that the average shooter is to stupid to behave like an adult, just because there are adult beverages conveniently located nearby.

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