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View Poll Results: Which World War II Submachine Gun Was The Best?
M1 Thompson 17 51.52%
M3 Greasegun 2 6.06%
Sten Gun 1 3.03%
MP40 "Schmeiser" 9 27.27%
PPSh-41 4 12.12%
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Old 11-29-2014, 04:12 PM   #61
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Wait the BAR didn't make the list?
my choice would have been the BAR .30-06
second choice would have to be the Iconic M1 Thompson .45
the Sten was a good
The BAR was a light Machine Gun, not technically a sub-Machine Gun. In general, Heavy Machine Guns fired from fixed positions or from Gun Mounts. If fired from fixed positions (fox holes), they were crew-served, had to be broken down (tripod removed), and reassembled when advancing to a new firing position. Heavies were also, usually belt fed. Light Machine Guns were equipped with magazines and could be fired while advancing and then act as a heavy while stationery. A Sub-Machine Gun was an magazine fed, automatic weapon, without bi-pod or tripod chambered for a pistol cartridge.
The terms Heavy Machine Gun and Light Machine Gun was determined by how they were used rather than their weight or chambering. Nevertheless, there is some ambiguity as to what was a light or heavy machine gun. I have seen references to .30 cal. air-cooled Brownings as being heavy machine guns and references to the same weapon as a Medium machine gun. For what it is worth, I never heard the term, Medium Machine Gun when I was in the Army...only Sub-Machine Gun, Light Machine Gun and Heavy Machine Gun.
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Have only gotten the opportunity to fire the Grease Gun and the sten of the two I really like the Grease gun but my vote was for the ppsh That could change should I ever fire one but for now the rate of fire and the ballistics of the cartridge it chambered the fact that ammo was significantly lighter than the others makes it my favorite. The Russians sure used it to good effect as well.
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Old 11-29-2014, 11:41 PM   #63
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Its tough to say what was best, the most produced was done by the Soviets, they had .45csl lend lease weapons but in the end chose to field millions of their 7.62x25 Smg's. In that vien of thought Id say the most effective smg of ww2 would be the PPSh-41 & Sudayev PPS-43, effective enuf that tactics were developed to use them.
If I were to choose quality and workmanship itd be a European built smg.
Not mentioned was the French MAS 38
Italian Beretta MAB M1938-A*
Finnish Suomi KP/-31
Polish Błyskawica SMG

For least effective caliber smg the 8x22 Nambu Japanese Type 100

Serving as a middle of the road smg roung the 9x19mm seemed to do well from Arctic Finland to steamy south seas tropics.
Like the Owen smg.
The later Owen SMG earned a well-deserved sterling reputation for sheer reliability and balanced firepower and accuracy under the harshest battlefield conditions imaginable in the South Pacific.*
For a most effective smg caliber I would choose the .45acp, The side who produces the greatest number of cheap effective mass produced weapons has a edge.
Id pick the M3a1grease gun.
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In a way id rather have had a Ithica 37 in 12ga with lots if buckshot.

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All of these had their drawback, but at the time where the only practical way to give the infantryman automatic fire.

The PPSH-41's iconic drum mags where infamous for bad reliability.
The MP-40 had safety issues (was the best looking of the bunch IMO)

and so on and so on.
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yeah, my 41 drums like to misbehave to the point where I quit trying to use them and stick with the stick mags which I've never had any issues with

I think the sterling, as frillless as it is, is still one of my faves though
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yeah, my 41 drums like to misbehave to the point where I quit trying to use them and stick with the stick mags which I've never had any issues with

I think the sterling, as frillless as it is, is still one of my faves though
I had the opportunity to fire several Sterlings while serving in England. My favorite SMG by far.
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From an engineering stand-point when it comes to magazines on a sub-machine gun there is a problem with the placement of the magazine. If it is on the bottom, in interferes with prone, foxhole firing and the number of the rounds is limited by the ability of the folded spring to push the rounds upward (worse in the case of the .45). If the magazine is on top, it interferes with the field of view and possibly sighting. In the Sten, it was designed to be horizontal, a cleaver way of avoiding the problems of the other two methods...although from what I understand, it still did not work well and the Sten had a tendency to be a "jam-o-matic". But, it sure seemed like a good idea.
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From an engineering stand-point when it comes to magazines on a sub-machine gun there is a problem with the placement of the magazine. If it is on the bottom, in interferes with prone, foxhole firing and the number of the rounds is limited by the ability of the folded spring to push the rounds upward (worse in the case of the .45). If the magazine is on top, it interferes with the field of view and possibly sighting. In the Sten, it was designed to be horizontal, a cleaver way of avoiding the problems of the other two methods...although from what I understand, it still did not work well and the Sten had a tendency to be a "jam-o-matic". But, it sure seemed like a good idea.
The Sten created an extraordinary number of German widows.
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