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View Poll Results: Which World War II Rifle was Best
Enfield No 4 Mk 1 1 1.92%
Mauser 98K 1 1.92%
Stg 44 6 11.54%
Mosin-Nagant M1891 1 1.92%
Tokarev SVT-40 0 0%
M1 Garand 41 78.85%
M1941 Johnson 0 0%
Something Else 2 3.85%
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Old 05-26-2014, 05:44 AM   #41
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For me , as far as full size rifles which were

in the entire war, shooting a full-size

rifle caliber, it's the Garand. IMHO the low

profile design offsets any box mag

advantages.




But I'm not stupid. I own a M1, but a

minty STG44 would buy all the others in the

selection, as well as a fair ammo supply.

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For me, it would not be a point of pride to only use American-made or American-designed weapons if there was something available that was substantially better. I can only surmise that DoD agrees because they copied the Mauser, the M-60 was supposed to be an amalgamation of the FG-42 and MG-42, the current issue battle rifle and machine guns are built and/or designed by FNH.

If everyone else is using a WWI bolt action and I have a M14, it's not too difficult to determine what the outcome will be if all other things are equal, although they never are.

I don't know what infantrymen would or would not want, but I suspect that they would want the most technologically advanced, most capable, and most reliable weapon available at the time to fight the enemy with.

I can't think of any real advantage to using a clip-fed, 8-shot semi-automatic rifle when a reliable box magazine-fed, 20-shot automatic rifle is available with optics, bipod, in-line stock, and shorter overall length.

I think that if Americans had AR-15's in WWII, the Wehrmacht and IJA would have been in deep, deep trouble and no amount of affection for a given country's service rifle would have made up for the employment of a technologically superior weapon. In essence, that's what the FG-42 was, a weapon that was about 10 years or so ahead of its time.

The Russians figured this one out with respect to the AK-47, thus the AK-74. The AK-47 was and is a good combat weapon, but it's hard to compete with a soldier that can carry twice your standard ammunition load out because his ammunition and magazines weigh half of what your ammunition and magazines weigh.

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Quite easy actually.
You can load the SMLE with 2 stripper clips without detaching the 10 shot mag in seconds and in the hands of an expert empty the mag in something like 6 seconds giving it a brilliant rate of fire and even in the hands of the average soldier you could with 2-3 others lay down a very good field of suppressive fire or blunt an attack.

The Jungle Carbine version of the SMLE was just as effective in the close quarters of New Guinea and the islands where a long shot could be 20 yds
but you still had the 10 shot detachable mag.

The .303 also had battle sights graduated out to 2000yds for plunging harassment fire but they were more effective out to 400yds and in the sniper rifle version were very effective for what they were.
I love Enfields but I think the Garand was the best battle rifle of WWII hands down, and time seems to have proven that. The world has gone to semi autos because they have an edge over bolt actions. I will give the Enfield a solid 2nd place though, and 1st place for WWI.
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Speaking of. Is that a Mosin receiver on your avatar?
Yep, I am a Mosin fan. However, it would not have been my choice of WWII personal weapon.
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Mosin Nagant all the way. I can but 10 mosins for the price of a CMP Garand! Not trying to start a fight here! I just really like the Mosin and the simplicity. As far as how both performed in WW2, Garand won. But don't discredit the Mosin. In terms of today, i would much rather have a Mosin then a Garand. Ammo is just too damn expensive.

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Yep, I am a Mosin fan. However, it would not have been my choice of WWII personal weapon.
I was only curious because if you own that particular receiver, you probably know it is valuable.
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The following DVD should settle the issue in favor of the Garand :
http://www.thegca.org/gca-dvd-americas-rifle-the-m1-garand

It is evident from the above DVD and from the book, Shots Fired In Anger by Lt. Col. John George that semi-auto battle rifles had a big advantage over bolt action rifles in combat .
Interesting side note : The latest issue of The American Rifleman has an article on D-Day that says many soldiers carried Springfields on D-Day .

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It is evident from the above DVD and from the book, Shots Fired In Anger by Lt. Col. John George that semi-auto battle rifles had a big advantage over bolt action rifles in combat .
I think that goes without saying, that's why all battle rifles today are semi /auto except some sniper rifles etc.
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I think that goes without saying, that's why all battle rifles today are semi /auto except some sniper rifles etc.
A PPSH would have been a good battle rifle. They are reliable, full auto, and you can carry a pile of ammo. At close range they are very effective. When the Soviets got to choose, they met the Germans in close and personal combat, and did well at it. (The Germans dreaded Soviets getting into their trenches)

The Germans made magnificent guns and lost the war. The Soviets made cheap guns a won.....go figure.
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A PPSH would have been a good battle rifle. They are reliable, full auto, and you can carry a pile of ammo. At close range they are very effective. When the Soviets got to choose, they met the Germans in close and personal combat, and did well at it. (The Germans dreaded Soviets getting into their trenches)



The Germans made magnificent guns and lost the war. The Soviets made cheap guns a won.....go figure.

Because firing a pistol round in a battle rifle that's meant for 300 yards instead of a sub machine gun makes plenty of sense


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