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Old 04-29-2013, 12:41 AM   #41
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He was a Great Man. Flawed, yes, but who isn't? A Great Man, a great wit and as Manta says the right man at the right time. I recommend William Manchester's three-volume biography, The Last Lion.
William Manchester was probably the greatest biographer of the 20th century.

I wish those books about Churchill, and "American Ceasar"
his bio of McArthur were required reading in our high schools.


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So long as men love freedom, dignity, valor, and wit, "Winnie" will never fade away.

I had the privilege of actually seeing him one cold damp morning in Kensington Gardens. Her Majesty's Secret Service wouldn't allow anyone within about 50 yards of him, but there was no doubt whatsoever who the old man resting on the park bench was.

"Let us so brace ourselves for our duties, and so bear ourselves, that should this nation and it's commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, this was their finest hour,"



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Sure the allied forces carried out carpet bombing missions in Germany but at the time we did not have precision guided munitions to use. It was a nasty war, a war with little concern for civilian casualties on either side. It was all about bombing the other side into submission regardless of how many had to die.

The reason that Afghanistan has gone on so long is because we no longer use these kind of carpet bombing tactics in today's wars. We try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible and have many tools at our disposal to do that. I honestly believe the US has gone too far the other way at this point and that it actually costs us the lives of American troops.

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Sure the allied forces carried out carpet bombing missions in Germany but at the time we did not have precision guided munitions to use. It was a nasty war, a war with little concern for civilian casualties on either side. It was all about bombing the other side into submission regardless of how many had to die.

The reason that Afghanistan has gone on so long is because we no longer use these kind of carpet bombing tactics in today's wars. We try to avoid civilian casualties as much as possible and have many tools at our disposal to do that. I honestly believe the US has gone too far the other way at this point and that it actually costs us the lives of American troops.
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When war is forced upon you, kill as many of the enemy as you possibly can, as fast as you possibly can, and when you've killed enough of them, they'll stop fighting you.
General Curtis E. LeMay

In war, there can be no substitute for victory. War's very object is victory. General Douglas McArthur
Good quote.

You also have to remember that at the time the Germans were bombing the heck out of London and every other big city in England. It's not like we asked for it.

Hope we never see a war on that scale again.
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And Belfast Quote. The Belfast Blitz was the high-casualty German air raids on Belfast in April and May 1941 during World War II. The first was on the night of Easter Tuesday, 15 April 1941. Two hundred bombers of the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) attacked the city of Belfast in Northern Ireland. Some 900 people died as a result of the bombing and 1,500 were injured. In terms of property damage, half of the houses in Belfast were damaged or destroyed. Outside of the city of London, this was the greatest loss of life in a night raid during the Blitz. The second high casualty raid was on the night of Sunday 4 May 1941 when 150 were killed.
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'Carpet bombing' originally referred to using heavy bombers to blast any enemy forces in the way of advancing allied troops . The original term for the British night-time bombing of cities was 'area bombing' .
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'Carpet bombing' originally referred to using heavy bombers to blast any enemy forces in the way of advancing allied troops . The original term for the British night-time bombing of cities was 'area bombing' .
That's correct.

It's a damn shame we didn't "discover" area "fire bombing" until too late to use it very much in the ETO.

As effective as it was against Tokyo and other PTO cities, we might have shortened the war by a year if it had been used against Berlin, Frankfort, Munich etc.
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