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Old 09-27-2012, 02:35 AM   #21
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Maybe a bit off topic, but i was wondering the other day how much the level of acceptable socialism in this country has been increased by the influx of immigrants from more socialist states, like mexico.


As a youth, i did NOT things like ever-circling bombers and nuke-laden subs comforting.
Oh absolutely. And the powers that be know it.
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Chainfire I do agree with you, it really ticks me when I hear all this crap about us living in a police state. Comparing the U.S. to the nazi Germany because a Leo asked for identification. Well one way you can tell that's not true is your on a public forum saying it and you haven't disappeared. No it not perfect, no I don't like a lot of what's going on. But ranting a lot of militant BS is not going to change a thing. Get involved, call and write your senators and congressmen. Run for office. Win support from others by showing positive light on gun owners.
Yes I think that government all government (local, state, and fed) is and has been overstepping their boundaries more and more. And they are great at using divide and conquer. They start with the smallest groups, you don't care because it doesn't effect you, so they get away with it. Then they get to something you do care about, you have no support because you gave no support. Hell why do they have a right to decide I can't see or by anything larger than a 16 oz soft drink in a cup. Look at all the smoking bans, the government telling business owners they no longer have a right to allow smoking in a building they own. How many of you set quietly while these people lost their rights. I could go on but you should get my point.
How many supported smoking bands? It's a slippery slope with no end.

Stalin made the U.S. an enemy of the U.S.S.R. not because he feared us, but because it let him get away with murder (literally) in the Soviet Union. He understood better than anyone the need for a common enemy in order for him to gain the power he did.

We now have a lot of enemies in the U.S. - sugar, tobacco, drugs, and so on. And how many czars do we have now? I'm not saying those things aren't bad but aren't all enemies?
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The Paycheck to Paycheck Crowd would have to limit their spending on BS and buy the things they need to live. They would not pay taxes if the only things taxed were not the needs in life. Its just that simple.
I gotta respectfully disagree, having done the paycheck-to-paycheck thing for a little while (also had some friends in the same situation) and having spent most of the last twenty-something years working in accounting and taxation (including part-time work while in school). It isn't a simple situation, mostly due to the wide variety of people and their circumstances that are subject to a national income tax. In the beginning, it was a fairly simple tax, but the "except for" and "only if" clauses have bloated it beyond practicality. At this point, the tax code needs a complete "reboot" and probably some form of national referendum.
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Yes i can see a big gulp being dangerous as an enema
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I can think of a few things that have had more negative and lasting consequences than the socialism promoters.

Off the top of my head:

- Establishment of central banks that are not operated by the government. I suppose having the banks operated by the government would be considered to be socialism to some, but at least the GAO would know who (which bankers) stole all of our money. The debt that we, as Americans have, is mostly related to paper based on more worthless paper.

- Permitting the military industrial complex to continue business

- The Civil War and slavery - we have a whole group of Americans who either think that another group of Americans is still trying to oppress them or still have a chip on their shoulders and want remuneration for sleights that most of them were not alive to have had that most of the rest of us were not alive to have given. Quite frankly, America would be better off without anyone who thinks they are some special type of American. All we should have is Americans here, no prefix, suffix, or special types.

- Murder of JFK. I'm not a big supporter of Democrats, in general, but he was the last president who was not a subservient puppet for corporate or even government interests. He was killed because he would not be a front man for corporations and government entities which violated the law or engaged in practices that were prejudicial to the American people.

- Giving the president the authority to use executive orders. No one man should be able to arbitrarily decide which laws to enforce or what the law is. That's not representative government, that's dictatorship. I don't care how benevolent the man (or woman) is, I only care that they follow the law, execute the law in an impartial manner, and enforce the law.

- Educational system based on the 1895 (can't remember the exact year) factory laborer model where children are not encouraged to think for themselves or pursue their own interests.

- Using the educational system as a racket to inhibit employment of people, like me, who have not paid enough tribute to "higher learning" institutions. I now write software for a living and I have seen enough of the product from the colleges to know that having a piece of paper isn't equivalent to knowledge and intelligence.

- Using the military to attack other countries less developed than we are to steal their natural resources so our corporations can make a quick buck. This works when you actually get the resource that you're after, but unfortunately we haven't done such a stellar job of actually getting the resources from the countries we have attacked. Apart from Opium that the CIA brings into the US from Afghanistan and really good weed, is there anything in that miserable place worth fighting for?

Apart from that, yes, having Americans cowed into subservience and refusing to take responsibility for themselves is like an anchor while we're stuck in a whirlpool of consequences from the poor economic and social decisions our so-called leaders make.

At this point, I just want the inevitable war to come and be over with so we can get rid of the forces and influences that are so destructive to our society (theft of our money by central bank cartels, unaccountable government leaders who won't cooperate with each other for our benefit, corporations that attempt to influence our politicians with bribes, endless foreign wars of attrition, and the entitlement crowd that thinks everyone else needs to work to support them). There is no return and no escape from our present financial/political/social situation and we need a fresh new world to do a better job with than what we've done in the past.

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I can think of a few things that have had more negative and lasting consequences than the socialism promoters.

Off the top of my head:

- Establishment of central banks that are not operated by the government. I suppose having the banks operated by the government would be considered to be socialism to some, but at least the GAO would know who (which bankers) stole all of our money. The debt that we, as Americans have, is mostly related to paper based on more worthless paper.

- Permitting the military industrial complex to continue business

- The Civil War and slavery - we have a whole group of Americans who either think that another group of Americans is still trying to oppress them or still have a chip on their shoulders and want remuneration for sleights that most of them were not alive to have had that most of the rest of us were not alive to have given. Quite frankly, America would be better off without anyone who thinks they are some special type of American. All we should have is Americans here, no prefix, suffix, or special types.

- Murder of JFK. I'm not a big supporter of Democrats, in general, but he was the last president who was not a subservient puppet for corporate or even government interests. He was killed because he would not be a front man for corporations and government entities which violated the law or engaged in practices that were prejudicial to the American people.

- Giving the president the authority to use executive orders. No one man should be able to arbitrarily decide which laws to enforce or what the law is. That's not representative government, that's dictatorship. I don't care how benevolent the man (or woman) is, I only care that they follow the law, execute the law in an impartial manner, and enforce the law.

- Educational system based on the 1895 (can't remember the exact year) factory laborer model where children are not encouraged to think for themselves or pursue their own interests.

- Using the educational system as a racket to inhibit employment of people, like me, who have not paid enough tribute to "higher learning" institutions. I now write software for a living and I have seen enough of the product from the colleges to know that having a piece of paper isn't equivalent to knowledge and intelligence.

- Using the military to attack other countries less developed than we are to steal their natural resources so our corporations can make a quick buck. This works when you actually get the resource that you're after, but unfortunately we haven't done such a stellar job of actually getting the resources from the countries we have attacked. Apart from Opium that the CIA brings into the US from Afghanistan and really good weed, is there anything in that miserable place worth fighting for?

Apart from that, yes, having Americans cowed into subservience and refusing to take responsibility for themselves is like an anchor while we're stuck in a whirlpool of consequences from the poor economic and social decisions our so-called leaders make.

At this point, I just want the inevitable war to come and be over with so we can get rid of the forces and influences that are so destructive to our society (theft of our money by central bank cartels, unaccountable government leaders who won't cooperate with each other for our benefit, corporations that attempt to influence our politicians with bribes, endless foreign wars of attrition, and the entitlement crowd that thinks everyone else needs to work to support them). There is no return and no escape from our present financial/political/social situation and we need a fresh new world to do a better job with than what we've done in the past.
Don't worry kbd, I've learned a lot in 3 months. I'm ready to see it all come crashing down too.
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Ayn Rand was right . Read these linked articles :
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_man_rights

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_the_nature_of_gov ernment

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ari_ayn_rand_the_objectivist_e thics

http://www.bdt.com/pages/Peikoff.html

http://www.givemeliberty.50megs.com/An%20Economics%20Lesson.htm

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