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Old 10-28-2012, 11:34 PM   #51
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The use of civilian weapons is typically a no-no (for us, at least). That comes from our Command (typically Brigade or higher).

Even if there is nothing clearly stating the prohibition of civilian weapons/equipment, any use of non issued equipment can lead to the soldier's family not being able to collect his/her benefits should he/she die in combat.
Are you sure about that? Even in cases of suicide the family will collect the SGLI. Now, if the death can be directly attributed to the service member's own negligence DIC can be denied.
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Are you sure about that? Even in cases of suicide the family will collect the SGLI. Now, if the death can be directly attributed to the service member's own negligence DIC can be denied.
I have never seen it denied, even in cases where it was known that there was negligence on the part of the deceased.
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I have never seen it denied, even in cases where it was known that there was negligence on the part of the deceased.
DIC or SGLI? The two are very different.
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I know they are and both.

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Alright, thank you.

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Basically, it defined how wars should be fought.
Rules in war?!?! Are there really rules in war?
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I served in a helicopter company in Vietnam and carried a civilian .30 caliber Ruger Black Hawk in a civilian leather belt an holster, never was I questioned about it. On my departure I gave it to my executive officer who I am sure carried it daily.

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Are you sure about that? Even in cases of suicide the family will collect the SGLI. Now, if the death can be directly attributed to the service member's own negligence DIC can be denied.
After being told for 17 years of why I have to use issued gear, yeah, I'm sure.

I stated CAN be denied, not will be.

A SGT in the unit that we replaced was KIA, he had worn some mag pouches that weren't issued (they were mil-spec, and they can be issued, but his unit didn't issue them), and his family had to go through hell with the Pentagon to get them to give up ALL of the death bennies, and they got them.

Suicide can be linked to PTSD, and several other issues from being deployed. It's classified as service related.
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SGLI is provided by what is essentially a private entity where a contract is signed by the service member and the entity. If the service member's death did not violate said contract benefits can not be denied. As can be seen by the whole idiotic Dragon Skin fiasco. A unit commander, not even the president can void those benefits.

DIC? Yes, that is money paid directly from the government (but the gov must be able to prove that the death was directly related to the service member's negligence). TSGLI? not so much, though the contract stipulations are a bit different than SGLI.

Now, like Ive said time and time again. I have never served. But I have read through every bit of the contract signed when my brother joined, as well as the paperwork from my uncles, grandfather, and cousins (because of this exact same discussion). The contract is essentially the same.

In terms of the SGLI and TSGLI (which as everyone aught to know came about later on) the gear you wear does not matter. DIC? Yes, very much so as I said.

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