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Old 06-02-2013, 04:09 AM   #31
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That's yet only another example of how if it hasn't happened to you, it must not happen to anyone?

What does that really mean?

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"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate, systematical plan of reducing us to slavery"
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"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of Constitutional power."
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"Nothing is unchangeable but the inherent and unalienable rights of man."
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BTW Loc, my rights have been directly violated. I am a law abiding citizen, yet I cannot legal buy a handgun from a store for another 3 months, because that's when I turn 21. Even if I could find one that someone wanted to do a face to face sale with (which I could do legally), I would not be allowed to carry it until I turned 21, paid a fee, took a class, and got a license,

That's a violation of my rights.

You may say just wait the three months. The time isn't the point. For the government to deny someone their rights for even a fraction of a second is completely and totally wrong.

The Governments ONLY job is to protect our rights. They are doing the opposite.

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BTW Loc, my rights have been directly violated. I am a law abiding citizen, yet I cannot legal buy a handgun from a store for another 3 months, because that's when I turn 21. Even if I could find one that someone wanted to do a face to face sale with (which I could do legally), I would not be allowed to carry it until I turned 21, paid a fee, took a class, and got a license,

That's a violation of my rights.

You may say just wait the three months. The time isn't the point. For the government to deny someone their rights for even a fraction of a second is completely and totally wrong.

The Governments ONLY job is to protect our rights. They are doing the opposite.
Ok Tex. If you say so.

Hey! Ever thought of emigrating to a "free" country???

Another alternative. Before you graduate, sign up for couple of courses in constitutional law.
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And that's all he has to reply with, snooty little meaningless comments.

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Ok Tex. If you say so.

Hey! Ever thought of emigrating to a "free" country???

Another alternative. Before you graduate, sign up for couple of courses in constitutional law.
I already know Constitutional law. Maybe you should take a few courses.

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THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all, or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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And that's all he has to reply with, snooty little meaningless comments.
Pretty much.

As long as he gets what he wants, he couldn't really give a damn about the rights of others. The problem with that is that it will be his problem some day. Then he'll cry about his rights being violated, but it will be too late.

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Of course I'm only 69 years old, so I'm still young. But I haven't lost any rights yet. if I ever do, I'll get back to you!
Any day now, it's bound to happen. Either that or someone has been treating us like mushrooms.

But, back to the OP. My grandfather was born during the Civil War near Montgomery, Al. His Father was a Calvary officer, and several of his uncles served. My G Grandfather's cousin was, at one time, both a U.S. Senator and then a CSA Senator. As a U.S. Senator he voted against Alabama seceding, but went on to serve his home state.
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Two of my Great Grandfathers fought in the civil war

One served with the 12th Louisiana Dragoons, and the other with the 2nd Texas Rangers.

But that war has been over for 148 years. The great issues of that day were decided once and for all time on the battlefield. It's over folks.
Over 600,000 of America's finest died to change this nation to become, in fact, The United States of America. Almost all fought for what they passionately believed in. Their sacrifices (both sides) should be, always, honored. The war, like any family squabble, became hateful rapidly.

The men in my Father's family had children until late in life, which has tended to compress our generations. My Grandfather was born during the Civil War, and I ain't 150 years old. Until my generation, my family openly hated the "Yankees." They were too close to the times.
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Any day now, it's bound to happen. Either that or someone has been treating us like mushrooms.
Your not someone anyone should listen to about rights. You voted for the antigun Muslim twice, and mindlessly believe anything he says.

BTW, how's that working out for you? Last time I checked, we're still worse off than we were with Bush.
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