Originally Posted by nitestalker
I was not making an argument. My point is that the Civil War was not a romantic trilogy. There were international considerations. Human servitude fueled the debate as did western expansion.
I don't disagree with any of that... and I'm certainly not defending slavery... all I'm saying is that the War was unnecessary and accomplished nothing, in regard to slavery, that another 40 to 60 years of industrialization would not have accomplished peacefully.
Lincoln had a "vision" for America's future that required the States become subservient to the Federal Government... and he established policies to steal an unconstitutional level of power away from the people. He knew full well that his actions would lead to War and he was "comfortable" with the potential losses as long they achieved his objective of Federal Supremacy.
Were his larger intentions good? Was it done to "protect" us from the big bad European threats? To ensure the Federal Government would have the power and resources to meet those threats?
Perhaps? But "intent" is not the "litmus test" for Constitutionality...
...and actions taken by Governments "for the good" of there people, rarely work out as planned.
I too have read the arguments that the US could not have been prepared to deal with Japan and Germany during WWII if not for the consolidation of power within the executive branch and I find the logic to be deeply flawed. The rational for this position rests on the example of our War of Independence from England and the difficulty funding and equipping the Continental Army with the fractured leadership base that existed at the time.
It's like making an argument that horrific medical experiments conducted by the Japanese against occupied peoples during WWII were somehow "worth it" because some medical advancements were made... Excusing poor choices and bad behavior is the hallmark of all that this evil and wrong with the world.
Did Lincoln's actions ultimately make the US a stronger Empire... Yes... but that does not justify the loss of 600,000 American lives and the greater loss of States rights and Civil Liberties through the abuses of the Commerce Clause that followed.