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Old 05-24-2013, 04:34 AM   #41
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I think if you asked any 20 civil war soldiers you would get 20 different answers. My personal semi-well read opinion is, there were a lot of causes pride being a big one of them. Too many northern busybody do-gooders trying to tell the southern planters how evil they were, and too many southern gentleman too easily offended by people 1000 miles away and used to solving disputes by duals. I think most if not all of the other issues could have been solved without a war if it weren't for the slavery question.

The south was trying to get England to come in on their side and knew if the war was "about" keeping slavery England would not join them. This was one of the main reasons for the emancipation proclamation, it kept England from joining in on the side of the south. This is why the emancipation proclamation only frees slave in states that are "currently in rebellion against the USA" It did not free the slaves in Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, or the eastern half of Tennessee, as these states had not succeeded from the union.

But for the average soldier slavery was less of an issue. Right after the emancipation proclamation was announced the desertion rate in the union army went up by a factor of 10 (I think this number is right it has been a long time since I read " Chancellorsville" can't remember the author right now.) The northern laborers did not want to have to compete with a lot of newly freed blacks for work.

I am currently reading "Battle Cry of Freedom" by James McPherson. One of his points is that as the crisis was heating up in 1859-60 many of the hot heads on both sides did what they could to get people wound up with crisis after crisis and not give cooler heads time to think between each crisis. This had the effect of making the average joe on both sides think the other side was going to swoop in and force their will on him any second, thus when shots were fired men on both sides swarmed to the recruiters.

Does this remind anybody of a current big city mayor who used to work for a president who said something to effect of "we can't waste a crisis"

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The average soldier in every war begins to question, why?

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Not to overly simplify matters, but for many of the soldiers of the Confederacy, they were fighting because they OTHER guy was standing on their land. Would point out that only 2 major battles were fought on the Union side of the line- and still not that far North.

Another aspect infrequently discussed was repeated efforts by abolitionists to instigate rebellions among the slaves. This was a major concern in the South. Abolitionist did not always equal pacifist. When John Brown raided Harper's Ferry, he brought along a few thousand pike heads (long sword-like blade to be attached to locally procured wood shaft) to arm the slaves, after they had been incited to kill their masters.

Man that fired the first shot at Ft Sumter (Edmund Ruffin) was holding one of those pike heads (from the raid) in his left hand- when he pulled the firing lanyard with his right.

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That's a myth -- some Col. named Lee led a team of jarheads into a barn and planted those pike heads. Alex Jones has hidden video footage...

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Not surprised; you still think the US Civil War wasn't started by the South to keep slavery and that that's the Confederate flag. It's all actually kinda embarrassing...

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Not to overly simplify matters, but for many of the soldiers of the Confederacy, they were fighting because they OTHER guy was standing on their land. Would point out that only 2 major battles were fought on the Union side of the line- and still not that far North.

Another aspect infrequently discussed was repeated efforts by abolitionists to instigate rebellions among the slaves. This was a major concern in the South. Abolitionist did not always equal pacifist. When John Brown raided Harper's Ferry, he brought along a few thousand pike heads (long sword-like blade to be attached to locally procured wood shaft) to arm the slaves, after they had been incited to kill their masters.

Man that fired the first shot at Ft Sumter (Edmund Ruffin) was holding one of those pike heads (from the raid) in his left hand- when he pulled the firing lanyard with his right.
I knew about the pikes but not that Ruffin was holding one when he fired the first shot.

You are right about the abolitionists trying to insight rebellions, and also just the encouragement of and helping/hiding the escaped slaves was a problem.

By the way hock that video you mentioned of Harpers Ferry was clearly photo shopped in 1863 by Jeb Stuart and Stonewall Jackson.
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That's a nice Confederate BATTLE flag (Flag of the Confederate Army)

But not the flag of the Confederate States of America. (Hint- what was the name of Scarlett Ohara's daughter?)

BTW, I have been berated by one of the dim wits for flying my wife's British flag- since the dunce did not know the difference between the Union Jack and the Stars & bars.

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How about this one.

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Not surprised; you still think the US Civil War wasn't started by the South to keep slavery and that that's the Confederate flag. It's all actually kinda embarrassing...
The only one who should be embarrassed is you.

You have already been given an abundance of proof that slavery was not the main reason for the civil war, yet you ignore it. You seem to have no understanding of what exactly was going on back then.

BTW, really? Your really trying to grasp at straws at this point, aren't you?

I know that flag is not the CSA national flag, it is a Confederate battle flag. Want the nation flag? Here you go.


1st National Flag

(there were also 11, and 13 star version made later)




2nd National Flag




3rd National Flag




Unofficial National Flag.

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How about this one.

That's the 13 star version of the stars and bars I was talking about.
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