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Old 05-13-2013, 02:03 PM   #11
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I guess some things never change, wars for oil come to mind...
I see no connection.

The left-liberal propaganda about the "oil wars" is just that. Left-liberal propaganda.

Same as the pro-communist demonstrators in the sixties with their vicious lies about the "capitalists" being behind the VN war.
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I always thought it was because of the ports. Most of the federal taxes were collected at the ports, and the overwhelming majority of ports were south of the Mason Dixon line. The federal government would have been bankrupt had the south succeed, and that's why they couldn't let the south succeed. Now if I could only remember where I read that?

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No problem locutus. Stipulating that Americans have become more moral over the past 150 years as you say, for argument's sake, I will only apply the most fundamental ethics from 1865 on. That would make him...

...a traitor and cold blooded murderer.

By the way, your defense didn't work at The Nuremburg Trials and I assure you it won't work in the Left's defense of the Boston Bomber either, but at least we've gotten a sense of the company you keep.
So was Andrew Jackson a war criminal?
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Col. John S Mosby (The Grey Ghost) never surrendered either.

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History is riten by the victor just like most wars the civil war was not fought over slavery and racism as the government would love all to believe. it was about a Government pushing people to far and Money when the south asked Lincoln to secede from the union in peace Lincoln replied who will pay for the government. Southern Blood runs deep in my family I can trace it back to Jesse James and other kin. The Confederate Flag still waves proudly over the farm always will!

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History is riten by the victor just like most wars the civil war was not fought over slavery and racism as the government would love all to believe. it was about a Government pushing people to far and Money when the south asked Lincoln to secede from the union in peace Lincoln replied who will pay for the government. Southern Blood runs deep in my family I can trace it back to Jesse James and other kin. The Confederate Flag still waves proudly over the farm always will!
Birch, it's obvious you don't even know what "the" confederate flag is you claim you proudly fly. I can recommend a good single book if you'd like to learn about the US Civil War.

As for the igniting cause, ask the Confederate States -- most of THEM cited slavery as it in their articles of cecession. There were definitely regional differences -- most obvious and critical to the South was they wanted to separate to KEEP slavery they knew would inevitably be voted away. They were afraid. Period. And they started a shooting war, insurrection, a rebellion, killing to do it.

There is no disputing this unless you simply don't know history and somehow feel compelled to tie yourself into evil blindly per The Lost Cause nonsense.

By the way, that all has little to do with the rank and file soldiers on either side. And some officers. The North would have gladly traded Hooker, Burnside and McLellan, the latter twice, for Lee.
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There were millions of acres of yet to be settled farm lands in the Midwest. Cotton farming was fading. Sons of Northern Free Farmers were subject to smaller non profitable farms.
The conflict then was Slave labor or Free Family Farms in the New West. Lincoln represented the Free Farm movement in the Midwest. The rest is history.

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to each his own belive the BS you want Hock ive never cared for your nonsense input on anything! I will keep telling people the REAL TRUTH FOR THE SOUTHERN CAUSE

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The war is over, guys.

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Whose fighting any old war? You wouldn't even know what side I'm on. So I'll tell ya. I'm only on the side of truth -- and there's only one of them. And it's not Southern. Or Northern. And by the way Birch, that's not the Confederate flag ya got there. Nor flying on your farm as you might have found out since I brought it up...

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