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Old 09-12-2012, 06:44 PM   #11
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For what it is worth, my understanding is some of the US Armed Forces have dropped bayonet training from Basic Training. Sad.

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Someonehere'll confirm that. I heard the same and was dismayed as it was used as much to teach contact, aggression, as anything else. Lotta soft people in the US.

Dad volunteered and lied about his age. Soon he got caught and they had him enlist in the National Guard until he was legally old enough for, and upon reaching 18 he'd be transferred into, the US Army infantry. He was selected and beat-up his Drill Sargeant at bayonet instruction who asked him if he learned those outdated moves in the Guard, then ordered him never to use them again as they were obsolete. LOL

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It's obvious your Dad knew more than the sergeant did...

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There is a problem with deliviring a butt stroke upwards with today's M-4. It really is no match for a 1917 Enfield, or even an M-14 if we are talking bayonet drill.

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Marines still do bayonet training and just recently (maybe 5 years ago) got new bayonets. Your average Marine has an M16A4 which is actually heavier than the previously issued M16A2. Speaking of buttstrokes there was a story of a Marine killing an insurgent in Iraq with a buttstroke from his SAW. I'll try to find it. Was a good story.

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Speaking of buttstrokes there was a story of a Marine killing an insurgent in Iraq with a buttstroke from his SAW... Was a good story.
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For what it is worth, my understanding is some of the US Armed Forces have dropped bayonet training from Basic Training. Sad.
I went through US Army Basic in 2003. At that time, we were taught bayonet fighting. Out of one side of their mouths, the drill sergeants would tell us that bayonet charges are a thing of the past and we shouldn't expect to use these skills in combat while out the other side of their mouths, they taught us how to fight with bayonets fixed and as handheld knives. It was the full course; not some 1/2 @$$ watered down class. Spent nearly the entire week on it. They taught all the nasty killing business of it such has knocking out an enemy with a rear-naked-choke then stabbing your baoynet in his heart...etc.

One year later, the Brits used a bayonet charge in combat.

I can't speak for the US Marines and I don't know if the Army is doing it in their current Basic training cycles (but I assume so), but the Army was teaching bayonet tactics as recently as 2003. I don't know about the modern Navy and the Air Force.
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The last US Army company sized bayonet charge was lead by Captain Lewis Millett in Korea. i have hiked on that hill and have empty cartridge cases and a cigarette lighter found there. Millett was awarded a MOH for his actions.

Colonel Millett has an interesting military history.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/us/19millett.html?ref=obituaries&_moc.semityn.www

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Colonel Millett’s forebears fought in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and World War I. He was so eager to follow in their footsteps that he deserted the American armed forces in the months before the Pearl Harbor attack and joined the Canadian military in the hope of seeing combat quickly. He was eventually court-martialed for desertion, but not before he had returned to the American Army and fought with distinction.
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