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Tackleberry1 04-21-2012 12:27 AM

Gun Store Commando
 
So a couple of weeks back I had some time to kill between meetings down in Portland Oregon so I pulled out the I phone and googled up the nearest gun store which happened to be The Gun Room in NE Portland.

Upon entering I was happy to see that everyone behind the counter was well north of thier Denny's senior discount. I appreciate this because most of the know it all "shoot what I shoot or your an idiot" commandos tend to be in their mid 20's.

Now, I knew from past experience that particular store only carries ALL METAL GUNS. Big NO TUPPERWARE signs and crochety old guys, we should get along fine.:)I'm about halfway down the counter browsing a nice selection of Colt 1911's, CZ75's, and Browning Hi Powers when I notice a big revolver laying there with the top strap and top 3 cylinders blown off.

I pick it up to look at it and the aged gentelman behind the counter launches into his "that's why we don't sell plastic guns" speach, which is fine, I see the logic, blow up and all metal gun and you probably just loose a gun, blow up a poly gun and you could be missing some finger!:eek:

But then he proceeded to tell me HOW important this ALL METAL gun thing is because the scrap metal I'm holding is the 3RD GUN "THAT FELLOW" had BLOWN UP!

I don't know who THAT FELLOW is but I respectfully suggested that THAT FELLOW might want to give up handloading because 3 guns should be a sign. Rolling his own is obviously NOT his skill set. HAHAHA

We'll, THAT FELLOW must have been the same gentleman telling the story because he huffed off rather abruptly.:rolleyes:

I'll admit that it took me a while to come around to poly guns but I've 3 and find them to be decent utilitarian tools which accomplish their purpose just fine.

Anyway, thought that was a funny exchange you guys would appreciate.

Tack

Axxe55 04-21-2012 12:59 AM

Tack, good story! i kind of agree. three of them! you would think someone should have learned after the first one!

i like all metal guns, but i too have a poly and i like it a lot. i remember when the Glocks were new, and i resisted for years to even shoot one. plastic guns! what are they thinking? no way those things will hold up over the long haul. yeah, they have proven me wrong. as old age and wisdom have set in, i am not near as quick to condemn as i use to be. i see now that the Glock paved the way for poly guns and proved that they can hold up for the long haul. there are poly guns that are junk, just as we know there are all metal guns that are junk too.

Cory2 04-21-2012 01:23 AM

With all of the MIM parts in newer polymer guns, and some of them being irreplaceable (looking at glock), I suspect the legendary reliability idea to go down the drain pretty quick, when not only are parts breaking, but you have to buy a new gun because that part can't be replaced. Sure, all metal guns have mim parts in them too, but you can take those out and put a new one in if it breaks.

rifleman1 04-21-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cory2 (Post 777398)
With all of the MIM parts in newer polymer guns, and some of them being irreplaceable (looking at glock), I suspect the legendary reliability idea to go down the drain pretty quick, when not only are parts breaking, but you have to buy a new gun because that part can't be replaced. Sure, all metal guns have mim parts in them too, but you can take those out and put a new one in if it breaks.

well its been over twenty years now maybe in another twenty that reliability thing will go out the window.

Polygon 04-21-2012 03:02 PM

Personally, I own both. It irritates me when someone has an opinion and feels the need to interject it onto me. You're welcome to present your opinion to me tactfully and I'll take it into account when forming mine. But try to force it on me and have an attitude and I'm just going to discredit everything you say and assume you don't know ****. How can someone with such a stanch opinion have an open mind?

Besides, they engineer these poly frames to fail in a certain way. Sorf of like crumple zones in a car. When I bought me first gun, a Kel Tec P3AT, the poly frame was something that concerned me. I did my research and found quite a few people that made the mistake of firing +P ammunition in them. There were incidents where the frame blew apart. Surprisingly, no injuries because of the way the frame was designed to fail in case of such a failure.

Don't you think the engineers and manufactures thought about that? Anyhow, I might sound like I'm upset and opinionated on the matter. I'm just trying to shed some light on some misinformation and assumptions. Besides, I did find the story amusing. I can picture the old, crotchety clerk. We have a few of those around here as well.

Overkill0084 04-21-2012 03:26 PM

3rd KB? You were not wrong, Reloading is not his forte.
Many people go their whole lifetime without one.
Metal vs. Polymer? I'm in the metal frame camp but, I say live & let live. As for which one is better to blow up? Seems like a stupid argument to me. Blowing up anything in your hand is a dangerous thing and should be avoided. Frag goes everywhere without any concern over the type of pistol it was originally contained in. What about bystanders? Anyone want someone's kid struck by a piece of their gun?

Tackleberry1 04-21-2012 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Polygon (Post 777804)
Don't you think the engineers and manufactures thought about that? Anyhow, I might sound like I'm upset and opinionated on the matter. I'm just trying to shed some light on some misinformation and assumptions. Besides, I did find the story amusing. I can picture the old, crotchety clerk. We have a few of those around here as well.

Exactly, I love my 1911's, my S&W 629, my CZ75B, IMO there is nothing more appealing than a quality steel firearm with good lines that performs well. However, I also have some poly guns, first was Kel Tek P11 back in 96 when they first came out. The trigger was, well, it was a Kel Tek, but other than that it was an excellent low cost CCW platform pushing 10 rounds of 9 with a 14 round BU mag. That was just unheard of in 96 for a gun that small! Then came an XD .45 4" back in 05 when the first .45 ACP's were hitting the retailers. WOW, that's a fantastic performing gun pushing 13 +1 in a grip size you can get your fingers around. Recently sold that to a buddy for what I had into it. My current primary CCW is my Kahr PM 9. Again, an excellent little gun, uber concealable pushing 6 + 1 9 mm with a trigger that's darn near as good as the DA pull on my 629.:eek:

I've now got my eye on the new XDS and am considering accepting another .5" in grip length to get 5 + 1 .45 ACP over my current 6 + 1 9 mm.

So while I know NO plastic gun will EVER pull my heartstrings like the all steel beauties, I also appreciate the innovation they've brought to CCW and get a real chuckle out of the "all poly's are junk" crowd.:)

Tack

Axxe55 04-21-2012 04:02 PM

i like my poly gun, an SA XDm40, works like it should, does what's expected. nothing spectacular or fancy, just does it's job. now i will never get as emotional about it like my 1911's or my revolvers, but that might because when i started shooting many, many years ago, there was no such things as poly guns! so blued steel and warm walnut will always have a special place in my heart. i guess i'm just showing my age.

Tackleberry1 04-21-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by axxe55 (Post 777841)
i like my poly gun, an SA XDm40, works like it should, does what's expected. nothing spectacular or fancy, just does it's job. now i will never get as emotional about it like my 1911's or my revolvers, but that might because when i started shooting many, many years ago, there was no such things as poly guns! so blued steel and warm walnut will always have a special place in my heart. i guess i'm just showing my age.

I don't know about showing your age. I'm 40, with 6 years of Infantry service behind me. Poly guns were certainly around when I got started in the mid 90's yet I agree with you whole heartedly.:)

Tack

Polygon 04-21-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Overkill0084 (Post 777819)
Metal vs. Polymer? I'm in the metal frame camp but, I say live & let live. As for which one is better to blow up? Seems like a stupid argument to me. Blowing up anything in your hand is a dangerous thing and should be avoided. Frag goes everywhere without any concern over the type of pistol it was originally contained in. What about bystanders? Anyone want someone's kid struck by a piece of their gun?

Hmm....

I can't believe I forgot about that. It's a great point.

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Originally Posted by Tackleberry1 (Post 777834)
Exactly, I love my 1911's, my S&W 629, my CZ75B, IMO there is nothing more appealing than a quality steel firearm with good lines that performs well. However, I also have some poly guns, first was Kel Tek P11 back in 96 when they first came out. The trigger was, well, it was a Kel Tek, but other than that it was an excellent low cost CCW platform pushing 10 rounds of 9 with a 14 round BU mag. That was just unheard of in 96 for a gun that small! Then came an XD .45 4" back in 05 when the first .45 ACP's were hitting the retailers. WOW, that's a fantastic performing gun pushing 13 +1 in a grip size you can get your fingers around. Recently sold that to a buddy for what I had into it. My current primary CCW is my Kahr PM 9. Again, an excellent little gun, uber concealable pushing 6 + 1 9 mm with a trigger that's darn near as good as the DA pull on my 629.:eek:

I've now got my eye on the new XDS and am considering accepting another .5" in grip length to get 5 + 1 .45 ACP over my current 6 + 1 9 mm.

So while I know NO plastic gun will EVER pull my heartstrings like the all steel beauties, I also appreciate the innovation they've brought to CCW and get a real chuckle out of the "all poly's are junk" crowd.:)

Tack

You also have a great point. I have a Kahr PM9 and a Ruger MkIII 22/45. I also just ordered a S&W Shield. I can tell you that my favorite gun is my 1911 and I want to get a metal frame Ruger as well. And looking at my gun wish list I think there are maybe two or three poly-frame gun on it compared to an asinine amount of metal frame guns. :D


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